wenglund wrote:Liz alerted me to this thread, and while I haven't bothered to read through it (I am okay with people having fun at my expense, particularly since I have had so much fun at theirs'), I am pleased that so many people have take such a deep interest in me personally.
However, given the inclination of many here to jump to false conclusions, it is not surprising to find this occuring with what little I have read of my personal life on this thread. Not that it would do any good to say, but no, I am not gay, and the reasons I have yet to marry (I still plan to) are complex, though they have mostly to do with setting my expectations way to high (pricing myself way out of the market). Career-wise, up until about a half decade ago I had pretty much been gainfully employed by others, and this since I was 12. Since then my labors have been entrepreneurial and investment related. I am currently invested in and working with a company in bringing to market a revolutionary anti-bacterial product.
Thanks, for your deep and abiding interest, -Wade Englund-
Thanks for responding, Wade.
I am curious about what you meant by "pricing yourself way out of the market". Do you really mean that you couldn't find any women who you felt were good enough for you? If that's what you meant, I give you points for being honest...but it is rather egotistical.
I am curious about what you meant by "pricing yourself way out of the market". Do you really mean that you couldn't find any women who you felt were good enough for you? If that's what you meant, I give you points for being honest...but it is rather egotistical.
Hardly egotistical.
It means he went shopping for a 8 cow wife, with only 5 cows to his name.
liz3564 wrote: Wade stated pretty emphatically that he is not gay. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt?
Hi Ms. Liz,
Gegh. The one time I don't copy a response in case it doesn't load, the response doesn't load. :/ Here's the very abbreviated response:
1) I'm used to Mopologists weaselwording the death out of their responses.
2) Him saying he's not Gay may just mean he doesn't engage in homosexual sex acts.
3) His response was absurd, and heretical.
V/R Dr. Cam "It's ok, Wade." NC for Me
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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
wenglund wrote:. . . the reasons I have yet to marry (I still plan to) are complex, though they have mostly to do with setting my expectations way to high (pricing myself way out of the market).
Beware: By the time you meet a woman who meets your expectations, chances are her expectations will be just as high as yours.
Then where will you be?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
It means he went shopping for a 8 cow wife, with only 5 cows to his name.
in my opinion, this is not an uncommon problem in Mormonism. I don't know if it's the ego-feeding teachings that young Mormon males are subject to throughout their lives (being chosen, having the priesthood, etc) but quite a few of them, in my experience, over-estimate how many cows they have to give. Some of them seem to think that being nothing more than an active RM automatically makes them 8 cows, deserving only the finest and prettiest.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
I am curious about what you meant by "pricing yourself way out of the market". Do you really mean that you couldn't find any women who you felt were good enough for you? If that's what you meant, I give you points for being honest...but it is rather egotistical.
That is an understandable conclusion to jump to, though not correct. If anything, Jaybear is closer to the mark, though still off by a wide margin. My overly high expectations were not so much regarding the kind of woman I was willing to marry, but the conditions under which I felt comfortable marrying. For the longest time I figured that since marriage was such an all-important decision, and one about which I didn't want to make the least mistake (particularly because I had seen so many seemingly miserable relationships and failed marriages, and I wanted no part of that), I expected that I would not only have a profound spiritual manifestation to confirm that a given relationship was right for marriage (which profound experience I obviously never had), but I expected the dating and courtship relationship to progress smoothly with narry a bump or a snag. With marriage, I was expecting to step into a heaven on earth, and the least sign of potential problems caused me to back off and avoid commitment. Sadly, it wasn't until it was somewhat too late that I realied that I was mistaken in my thinking. Instead of looking to step into the perfect situation, I came to realize that I should have been, and should be, looking to be in a relationship in which we both are committed and able to grow towards perfection. Had I correctly understood the gospel, that is how I would have thought all along.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)
wenglund wrote: That is an understandable conclusion to jump to, though not correct. If anything, Jaybear is closer to the mark, though still off by a wide margin. My overly high expectations were not so much regarding the kind of woman I was willing to marry, but the conditions under which I felt comfortable marrying. For the longest time I figured that since marriage was such an all-important decision, and one about which I didn't want to make the least mistake (particularly because I had seen so many seemingly miserable relationships and failed marriages, and I wanted no part of that), I expected that I would not only have a profound spiritual manifestation to confirm that a given relationship was right for marriage (which profound experience I obviously never had), but I expected the dating and courtship relationship to progress smoothly with narry a bump or a snag. With marriage, I was expecting to step into a heaven on earth, and the least sign of potential problems caused me to back off and avoid commitment. Sadly, it wasn't until it was somewhat too late that I realied that I was mistaken in my thinking. Instead of looking to step into the perfect situation, I came to realize that I should have been, and should be, looking to be in a relationship in which we both are committed and able to grow towards perfection. Had I correctly understood the gospel, that is how I would have thought all along. Also, I like dudes.
Have you ever had homosexual thoughts, desires, or inclinations?
V/R Dr. Cam
It runs so contrary to my nature and inclinations that the only thoughts I have had about homosexuality is abject puzzlement and repulsion. For the life of me I can't see what one man would find the least bit attractive in another man. For that matter, I have a hard time understanding what women see in men, though I value the attraction. On the other hand, there is much about women that I find attractive (some very much so) to me as a man, though there are some things about women, like certain personality quirks, that I find repelling. To make matters worse, the gay men I am familiar with tend to embrace rather than eshew the things about women that I find repelling. So, not only are gay men sexually un-intersting or repelling to me, some of their personality and character traits are also repelling to me. And, no, two negatives in this case don't equal a positive. LOL
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)
If the Mormon Church's "Great Plan of happiness" has any foundation it is based on this concept - learning to be a child, parent and most importantly a spouse.
30 years now, and yes, I love her.
really starting to hate work however
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wenglund wrote: With marriage, I was expecting to step into a heaven on earth, and the least sign of potential problems caused me to back off and avoid commitment. Sadly, it wasn't until it was somewhat too late that I realied that I was mistaken in my thinking. Instead of looking to step into the perfect situation, I came to realize that I should have been, and should be, looking to be in a relationship in which we both are committed and able to grow towards perfection. Had I correctly understood the gospel, that is how I would have thought all along. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Perhaps you incorrectly misunderstood the gospel because there is no real definitive marriage gospel within the "gospel", other than to marry in the temple and the woman is a help-mate submissive to the man and have a date night. I didn't learn how to have a good relationship from Mormon "gospel'. I learned it through trial and error while in the relationship. I did take a celestial marriage class which was a waste of a Wednesday night. In hindsight it didn't teach the basics to make a good relationship work or how to identify a compatible partner. Taking an eternal marriage vow doesn't mean it will be a happy.
Based on your penchant for making people guess what you are thinking I hope for her and your sake she's psychic.