Welcome charity!

[_charity]

Where the phrase "handed his head in a basket" was used, was not in reference to Kevin Graham, and the occasion was in a public debate forum. It sounds to me like what Kevin is talking about is a message board with e-mails from a supporting cast situation.

But he evidently sees the a possible interpretation of what happened as paralleling the case I was referring to. Please notice I said "possible interpretation."

And calling people idiots instead of engaging their argument, isn't that ad hominem? And do you do that a lot here?

[_Some Schmo]

And calling people idiots instead of engaging their argument, isn't that ad hominem?

Well, it would be ad hominem if you were actually engaged in an argument. If not, it's just a simple observation.

[_dartagnan]

Where the phrase "handed his head in a basket" was used, was not in reference to Kevin Graham, and the occasion was in a public debate forum. It sounds to me like what Kevin is talking about is a message board with e-mails from a supporting cast situation.

But he evidently sees the a possible interpretation of what happened as paralleling the case I was referring to. Please notice I said "possible interpretation."

And calling people idiots instead of engaging their argument, isn't that ad hominem? And do you do that a lot here?

As is so often the case, you have no argument.

If you were not referring to me, then who did you have in mind? Answer the question already and stop insulting our intelligence.

[_Some Schmo]

by the way, I wouldn't mind seeing more Mormons post here too, but it's not that big a deal, if you think about it. The real TBMs would never come here because their faith would never allow it, and the ones who do post are only marginal Mormons at best (nothing wrong with that, I guess... better that they aren't taking it too seriously).

I mean really, what serious discussion about Mormonism are people trying to have here? If it's doctrinal, you've got the celestial forum (*shudder*). But what would these discussions be for? What would be accomplished? Do people really think that others who are entrenched in their particular beliefs are going to be convinced of anything? I think the reason people say they want charity posting here is so they can tell her what they think of her and her arguments "to her face" so to speak without fear of censorship.

Just what are you hoping for by having more Mormon types post here, just out of curiosity?

I just don't understand what people think they're doing here if it isn't for simple, mindless entertainment.

[_CaliforniaKid]

So you saw yourself in what I posted? I didn't bring your name up in the discussion at all. But I must have hit a nerve. Is everybody here as touchy as this?

Of course we saw Kevin in it. All the faith-promoting apostate-apologist rumors are about Kevin. The SCMC has a special department for coming up with rumors about Kevin. And certainly every time his name is mentioned over on MAD, everyone jumps in with an opinion about why he turned critic, why he's banned, whether his name is really Kevin Graham or not, etc. etc. In this context, you had to know how your statement would be interpreted when you claimed that a turncoat apologist here didn't really turn because of a message board. What's the classic explanation the faithful give for apostasy? Secret sin. People don't turn because they learn the truth on message boards; people turn because they want to sin and anti-Mormon "facts" give them the excuse they need. So when you come in and say, "I know something you don't know about the real reaon an unnamed apologist apostasized," you might as well point at Kevin Graham and scream "Adulterer!!! Sinner!!! Prideful scounrel!!!" Because everybody's going to assume that's what you're talking about.

The difference between MAD and MDB, though, is that around here nobody's gonna buy it.

I appreciate your presence here, charity. I really do. When the "sin" explanation gets used by people like juliann and DCP over at MAD, there isn't anyone there to call them on it. It's basically an exercise in talking behind people's backs. You had the fortitude to bring your accusation here and to confront the object of the rumor in his own venue, which is commendable and which will hopefully prevent its further dissemination when you are corrected.

Best,

-Chris

[_Runtu]

Chris,

I think charity is referring to me. Anyone who knows me remembers that I had my head handed to me in a basket by Hammer's unimpeachable logic, and that was the catalyst for my leaving the church. Don't drag Kevin into this. ;)

[_Bond...James Bond]

Hammer's unimpeachable logic

I think that's an oxymoron.

[_Blixa]

Chris,

I think charity is referring to me. Anyone who knows me remembers that I had my head handed to me in a basket by Hammer's unimpeachable logic, and that was the catalyst for my leaving the church. Don't drag Kevin into this. ;)

Thanks for giving me my first hearty laugh of the morning.

[_dartagnan]

I can hear charity rambling over at FAIR now, trying to get someone to help her out with names. She is looking for another possible ex-apologist candidate to fit the description she provided.

[_charity]

If you were not referring to me, then who did you have in mind? Answer the question already and stop insulting our intelligence.

It was not you that someone said of him "his head was handed to him in a basket." I told you it was a public debate. From what I have heard of your encounter with Metcalfe it happened on a message baord.

And I won't put that person's name out here to be trashed. I saw what happened when one of your own friends put up the post about you being homosexual and having an affair with Rittner. Of course, the poster was trying to discredit what I was saying, by going way over the top. But you have to live with it, now that he said it, even in jest, that even though it isn't true, there will always be someone who says, "Didn't I read something about Kevin Graham's sexual orientation?"

I won't put anyone's name into a place where this kind of character assasination happens.