1 Nephi 14:10-12 'There are save two churchds only'

[_cosmo junction]

Let's try another homey example.

A mother and three children are walking across a narrow, shallow bridge. The mother tells them to be careful and walk right behind her so they won't fall off the bridge and get all wet and muddy. Two of them decide to disobey and they fall into the water. The third one walks right behind her and makes it across the bridge.

Now, did the mother love the ones who disobeyed and fell any less that the one who obeyed and was safe? No.

But that doesn't mean the other two didn't get their shoes wet. They reaped the consequences of not being obedient. It wasn't the mother's fault. She didn't push them in because they were disobedient. Natural consequences. They are all wet and muddy because they disobeyed.

The mother undoubtedly also reached in and pulled them out, without hesitation, in spite of their disobedience, and without cost.

[_charity]

Let's try another homey example.

A mother and three children are walking across a narrow, shallow bridge. The mother tells them to be careful and walk right behind her so they won't fall off the bridge and get all wet and muddy. Two of them decide to disobey and they fall into the water. The third one walks right behind her and makes it across the bridge.

Now, did the mother love the ones who disobeyed and fell any less that the one who obeyed and was safe? No.

But that doesn't mean the other two didn't get their shoes wet. They reaped the consequences of not being obedient. It wasn't the mother's fault. She didn't push them in because they were disobedient. Natural consequences. They are all wet and muddy because they disobeyed.

The mother undoubtedly also reached in and pulled them out, without hesitation, in spite of their disobedience, and without cost.

They stlil got wet.

[_cosmo junction]

They stlil got wet.

lol yeah they certainly did.

I betcha the third one got wet somewhere, too, though, walking over some other bridge.

Charity, what would you say is the most important thing we are supposed to do, according to God? I mean, your example is walking over a bridge, but what is the most important thing to God?

[_dartagnan]

Is that what the burr under your blanket is? Only those churches which fight against God and Christ are of the church of the devil. I suppose you make the evaluation of your own church. Do you fight against God and Christ? You decide.

Charity please illustrate for us where the verse says “only those churches which fight against God and Christ.” To fight against something doesn’t mea you’re a whore anyway.

This whole business about how the verse really doesn’t apply to all other Churches, is just one of the many lame modern apologetic propositions that do not hold water. The early Mormons understood the verse to mean precisely what it says, and they didn’t hold back in saying it. Only later on did the sensibilities of the modern world concern the Church, and a need to back peddle was manifest.

[_karl61]

charity most likely will give a conclusion with no facts and others will give her facts with a conclusion. Look at all her posts.

[_charity]

They stlil got wet.

lol yeah they certainly did.

I betcha the third one got wet somewhere, too, though, walking over some other bridge.

Charity, what would you say is the most important thing we are supposed to do, according to God? I mean, your example is walking over a bridge, but what is the most important thing to God?

The two most important laws are to love God and your fellowman.

[_Maxrep]

We can't get to everyone everywhere at the same time. .

Oh, I think the church has been almost everywhere - almost everyone just said NO! The church means nothing to the world, its only real grasp, which it is in the process of loosing, is with those children who had no choice in their baptism at the ripe old age of 8.

We aren't interested in converting the world. What we are doing is "gathering." We are gathering the flock of the Good Shepherd. HIs sheep know His voice. They hear. They join. Those who aren't His flock and aren't interested in being adopted in don't care.

Since we believe everyone has their agency, that doesn't bother us. By the way, I joined the Church at age 19. Obviously since some people leave the Church, staying is a matter of choice for those baptized at 8, even. No one has to be a member who doesn't want to accept the Lord.

Charity, you are quite the trooper to take on the task of fielding so many replies. :)

The confusion I have with the purpose of gathering the elect is lack of recognition of the true shepard from his followers. Maybe the sheep are tone deaf? Joke :) . We can find educated and well functioning individuals in our church today. These folk, with few exceptions, were born in the church and carry with them family and cultural ties to the LDS church. In society, well adjusted and well educated people have no interest in the church, yet they still may attend other denominations.

As a whole the church has already reached its zenith. The number of active members(butts in pews) is most likely on the decline. If the church just blew away one day, it would have no impact on the human experience. The world would continue to turn. If Jesus does return, he would be greeted by a multitude of christians all over the world, and I don't think the Lord would mind that the Mormon's were not there with their genealogical temple work in hand, riddled with errors.

[_charity]

[quote="Maxrep]
Charity, you are quite the trooper to take on the task of fielding so many replies. :)

The confusion I have with the purpose of gathering the elect is lack of recognition of the true shepard from his followers. Maybe the sheep are tone deaf? Joke :) . We can find educated and well functioning individuals in our church today. These folk, with few exceptions, were born in the church and carry with them family and cultural ties to the LDS church. In society, well adjusted and well educated people have no interest in the church, yet they still may attend other denominations.

As a whole the church has already reached its zenith. The number of active members(butts in pews) is most likely on the decline. If the church just blew away one day, it would have no impact on the human experience. The world would continue to turn. If Jesus does return, he would be greeted by a multitude of christians all over the world, and I don't think the Lord would mind that the Mormon's were not there with their genealogical temple work in hand, riddled with errors.[/quote]

Your generalization about well adjusted and well educated people not joining the Church is without foundation. (Kindess prevents me from giving you my candid opinion of your statement.) I can give you a number of examples of well adjusted, well educated people joining the Church as adults. But my assertion is just as meaningless as yours is without data to back it up. So unless you do get some data about demographics you should drop that argument.

I don't know if the Church has reached its zenith. I have for a long timeheld the very private opinion that the life of the world will be controlled by how long it takes to gather the flock. When the flock is all gathered, then the Second Coming occurs. I would expect that the number would slow down as the end time approaches. That is just my idea, it isn't taught as doctrine. But again, without any data, your assertion is just so much . . . . .

The importance of the Church and membership in it isn't based on what would happen to the world. It is what happens in the life of the individual. So you really aren't talking about anything important here.

[_Gazelam]

The Church spoken of is plainly the Catholic Church, and it is a Mother because of the many factions that split away from it and formed their own faiths. What one thing do they all share in common? The false doctrine of the Trinity, and a askew view of God leads to a faith askew, and there is no salvation in a lie.

Jeffrey R Holland spoke on this at the last conference: http://LDS.org/conference/talk/display/ ... 15,00.html

[_Inconceivable]

We aren't interested in converting the world. What we are doing is "gathering." We are gathering the flock of the Good Shepherd. HIs sheep know His voice. They hear. They join. Those who aren't His flock and aren't interested in being adopted in don't care.

So, for 44 years I heard Mormon Jesus' voice and now what am I hearing, Charity? After this long wouldn't you think I would become familiar with His voice?? The 90 and 9 have no different ears than I do.

Baaaaahh.

A mother and three children are walking across a narrow, shallow bridge. The mother tells them to be careful and walk right behind her so they won't fall off the bridge and get all wet and muddy. Two of them decide to disobey and they fall into the water. The third one walks right behind her and makes it across the bridge.

Now, did the mother love the ones who disobeyed and fell any less that the one who obeyed and was safe? No.

I suppose you could call this idiot mom loving. But where are her brains? What mother in her right mind would permit her kids to cross a bridge without proper supervision? What are they doing crossing the bridge anyway? I'd call it contributory negligence. Time to call CPS.

Your generalization about well adjusted and well educated people not joining the Church is without foundation. (Kindess prevents me from giving you my candid opinion of your statement.) I can give you a number of examples of well adjusted, well educated people joining the Church as adults. But my assertion is just as meaningless as yours is without data to back it up. So unless you do get some data about demographics you should drop that argument.

Charity, I'm discovering that you know a whole lot about nothing. The majority of sheep joining the church are poor and uneducated. That is why nations with a higher per capita of the educated have little success. You will discover in those areas that it is mainly poor imigrants that join as well so even the general stats are skewed. Ask any returned missionary where he had greatest success in numbers taught and baptised. Afluent and educated areas are a deathnail to a missionary that wants to teach and baptise. Here is a simple example: South America vs United States (subtract the babies born into the church and you'll have a horrific deficite).

Even the Boof of Mormon states that the rich and educated are more prone to reject the Mormon Jesus' voice, you should read it.

Honestly, with some of the comments you've made in several threads, I think you're just having fun pulling our legs.