whats wrong with a little wine?

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I was told Dr Pepper was bad for men. It supposidly drops their count. So I was told. I disagreed though.

[_JAK]

Should God, in his infinite wisdom, prohibit Big Macs too?

I think he was hoping we'd be smart enough to make that choice on our own.

A typical anthropomorphic characterization of a God invention.

Why would God be hoping?

Christian doctrine characterizes God as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Given that characterization, the invented God hardly needs to be “hoping” anything.

As the creator of “all that was made,” this God is all responsible. According to this doctrine, all that is was created by God.

“Hope” is a human characteristic of thought. Humans hope. Hence, you invent God in the image of man (mankind).

JAK

JAK, I was joking. Saying God is hoping is easier than saying "that what God wishes but knows will not happen due to his decision to give his creatures free will."

One of the greatest miracles God ever performed was to create creatures in his own image that can rebel against his will.

Nehor,

You God invention is still anthropomorphic. “Hoping” is something humans do. So even if you had stated this, it would still be inventing God in the image of man (mankind). People wish. Saying that God wishes is anthropomorphic.

In addition and more importantly, you continue do assume God. No evidence has been established for the many claims for gods and later for God. The evolution of myths of the gods continues.

No evidence supports your claim: “One of the greatest miracles God ever performed…”

It’s all part of the evolving doctrines of God claims absent, absent evidence.

And the next line of claim tends to be (although you may not make it) that one must have faith.

Faith is unreliable. It’s built on claims which are unreliable. We have even in the world today hundreds if not thousands of faiths in religious/superstitious notions. None is reliable.

Since they disagree, and since they each tend to claim that their faith is the true faith, since none is open to transparency, faith is unreliable.

JAK

[_JAK]

Anyway if LDS people would watch what they eat using meat sparingly and eating grains, fruits and veggies, exercise a bit and avoid drugs, liquor and tobacco they would even be more healthy.

I think God missed it because it's not over-eating MEAT that has resulted in epidemic obesity in the US - it's over-eating of refined carbohydrates and sugar. (to say nothing of the fact that we pour artificial ingredients into our bodies every day, which may not make us fat, but make us unhealthy)

Also, the WoW was, as you point out, not a hard commandment, and when God - or whoever - decided to make it a hard commandment, he ignored the part about eating. No one is denied a temple recommend for poisoning their body with overdosing on carbohydrates or continually pouring chemicals in their bodies (like sodas).

Given the trajectory of this nation's health problems, I'd say that was a big miss.

When Mormons came to my door, I offered then hot chocolate.

They accepted and drank it. It contains caffeine, that which is prohibited in the form of coffee or tea. Mormon doctrine does not do chemistry.

JAK

Assuming of course that the Word of Wisdom is about caffeine. That's quite the logical leap.

Exactly, in your view, what is the objection to coffee and tea?

JAK

[_JAK]

There's nothing wrong with a little whine. Too much is bad for your health. (insert smiley here)

There are medical studies now which show that wine in moderation has health benefits.

See A Glass of Wine

JAK

[_The Nehor]

Exactly, in your view, what is the objection to coffee and tea?

I have no idea. Could be something else in it, could be the caffeine, could just be God wanted one more way to make us peculiar so people would ask questions.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I often thought it couldn't be caffine or thetemperature so i just believed it was to do with addiction, but then chocolate is addictive too.

[_harmony]

Exactly, in your view, what is the objection to coffee and tea?

JAK

There was no way for Joseph or Brigham to make any money on it.

[_JAK]

Exactly, in your view, what is the objection to coffee and tea?

JAK

There was no way for Joseph or Brigham to make any money on it.

Well, there could have been a way to make money on it. Look at the liquor industry today in the US. Even coffee makes money. Consider Starbucks.

If Joseph Smith or BY had … Well, there was not marketing such as we have today, was there? Even so, I’ll bet a profit could have been turned on coffee, wine, and to a lesser extent tea even in the mid 1800s.

“In 1860, Eberhard Anheuser (1805-1880), a successful St. Louis businessman, first financed a loan for a struggling local brewery and later bought up the interests of minority creditors. Four years later, his son-in-law—Adolphus Busch—joined the company as a salesman. Adolphus eventually became a partner and then president of the company. As the driving force that took a struggling local brewery and transformed it into an industry giant, Adolphus is considered the founder of the company.”
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JAK

[_Canucklehead]

I have never yet met an alcoholic who didn't start with moderation.

There is nothing wrong with a big mac. I can have one every now and then.

[_Canucklehead]

I don't think it was God who missed it. The WoW tells us to eat a healthy diet. But Mormons missed it.

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Anyway if LDS people would watch what they eat using meat sparingly and eating grains, fruits and veggies, exercise a bit and avoid drugs, liquor and tobacco they would even be more healthy.

Actually, if you read Gary Taubes recent book, the WoW doesn't actually encourage a healthy diet. Scientific evidence has never shown that eating fat and meat leads to heart disease and shorter life spans. In fact, man evolved eating primarily meat. Grain was not grown in sufficient quantities to form the primary portion of our diet until very recently, evolutionarily speaking.