I Knew It Wouldn't Last

[_Bond...James Bond]

Here is access to some not so hidden files... only view with caution:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/weblog.php?w=37

AHHHHHH!!!!

[_Blixa]

Here is access to some not so hidden files... only view with caution:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/weblog.php?w=37

Oh Brother! You look fine without a hat....but damn, guy, grow your hair out. Long hair for men, short hair for women, I always say (though I'm currently violating my own dictum).

[_GoodK]

I'd ditch the tie, though.

I wish I could... trust me. I do have a pretty sweet tie collection though. Thrift stores have the best ties.

[_Blixa]

I'd ditch the tie, though.

I wish I could... trust me. I do have a pretty sweet tie collection though. Thrift stores have the best ties.

Ok you get a pass on vintage....

[Guest]

Tom does not advocate drug use at all. And he gives realistic advice about drinking, for instance, he discourages drinking at company parties and so on as career, success, and money come first. He's not big on strippers since he doesn't believe in spending more than 40 dollars on a date. And his position on women and their father relationships, I better be careful here, can't be what you express because he's made it very clear that women who had terrible relationships with their father have sexual issues and if you become their father figure you'll be screwed, and he sure is right on that I can tell you. Ideally, as he teaches, the proper father issue to seek out is a woman who had a good relationship with her father but somehow became separated - that's the one you want to be a "dad" to if you're looking to get laid.

And if all the usery he advocates sounds harsh, remember, it's dog eat dog. His tactics wouldn't work on someone who isn't out to use you. So pack your wallet with a bunch of singles sandwiched between a couple big bills and pretend you're doctor and bang that 22 year old stripper who would have just taken all that money if you would have had it.

~Edited for language and tmfi~

That man is making women cookie cutters, it's BS. I can't tell you how many pricks WERE doctors that thought I was impressed with that -- or them. Nope! If I wanted my money all I had to do was go home. I didn't want a father figure!

The man that impressed me was a guy that lived out of his backpack, tripped me when I was walking past him, and told me he was going to burn down my house. I found out later he had an Ivy League degree and was a talented artist -- did he try to impress me? Did he want to be my "daddy" -- no! I hated men that would tell me how much money they had or what they did -- not impressed... get the hell away.

I grew up around pricks that thought they were hots***. I hated them. I hated them even more when they thought I was going to have sex with them. I let them know in clear language they bored the hell out of me -- they did.

My self esteem was fine -- if anything I had toooo much confidence, too stubborn, too strong willed. I did have a strained relationship with my father 'cause he hated my boyfriend and told me I couldn't make it on my own -- to get out and he'd wait for me to come crawling back for my money. I never did.

So, women? Why play games with them? It's pathetic. Why want a woman that would fall for games? I wouldn't if I was a man.

[_Bond...James Bond]

(YAWN -- I had more in my trust fund than they would make in a decade -- yes, you can hate me Mercury)

(Damn rich chicks...)

I would hate you if you weren't so damn beautiful at living life. :P

[_Bond...James Bond]

And if all the usery he advocates sounds harsh, remember, it's dog eat dog. His tactics wouldn't work on someone who isn't out to use you. So pack your wallet with a bunch of singles sandwiched between a couple big bills and pretend you're doctor and bang that 22 year old stripper who would have just taken all that money if you would have had it.

Seems a tad bit cynical (and I'm cynical) for me. But I'm young and have a bit idealism in me I guess *shrugs*. I guess when life has whipped my ass down to the point that I'm not carrying more than 40 bucks cause I'm afeared (that's a word down South) someone's going to take my money I'll agree with the Leykis.

PS: We had an earthquake? Cool beans!

[_GoodK]

That man is making women cookie cutters, it's b***s***. I can't tell you how many f*****g pricks WERE doctors that thought I was impressed with that -- or them.

But most women, at least in southern california, are like that.

[_Blixa]

That man is making women cookie cutters, it's b***s***. I can't tell you how many f*****g pricks WERE doctors that thought I was impressed with that -- or them.

But most women, at least in southern california, are like that.

*sigh* maybe bigger problems than wardrobe here...

I realize you aren't very old, GoodK, but you sound like you've never met a lot of women. While this may describe a certain segment of mainstream america, wherein all kinds of backward notions of gender still flourish, it's not the world. I can't say that I've ever met many, maybe ever met any, women like that in the social and cultural niches I've inhabited: people who are academics, artists, curators, design professionals, writers, journalists and architects. I also know very few married people; lots of people in long term relationships of one or another kind, but no one who fetishizes marriage and weddings.

I never wanted to get married. I dislike everything about the economics and politics of that ur-patriarchal institution. The idea that my life was supposed to be organized around it was as central to my rejection of Mormonism as my revulsion at the the lack of anything of aesthetic value in the church.

Its only the shameful way that access to heath care is tied to it in our society that made me consider its pragmatic usefulness. My lover/boyfriend/long term companion and I decided that if at some time one of us had a full time gig with benefits and other needed them then we would "tie the knot." And thus it came to pass, a root canal was the deciding factor in my getting married. We'd be together without this formality and except for the obnoxious title "Mrs." that I'm sometimes subjected to, it makes little difference to our relationship or our lives.

There are many ways individuals can organize and construct their relations with each other and embracing life creatively and actively should be encouraged.

[_GoodK]

sigh* maybe bigger problems than wardrobe here...

*rolls eyes at having "clothing" analyzed via internet discussion board*

I realize you aren't very old, GoodK, but you sound like you've never met a lot of women.

What does someone that has met a lot of women sound like, out of curiousity?
What have I said that portrays my inexperience?

I don't know what a lot means, I do think that I have dated plenty of women.
I'm no Magic Johnson or Tommy Lee, but I think I do ok.

While this may describe a certain segment of mainstream america, wherein all kinds of backward notions of gender still flourish, it's not the world. I can't say that I've ever met many, maybe ever met any, women like that in the social and cultural niches I've inhabited: people who are academics, artists, curators, design professionals, writers, journalists and architects.

Well, if a women is an accomplished academic, artist, curator, design professional, writer, journalist and architect I don't think they would fit the build of gold digger.
Again, no one said every women on the face of this earth is is a gold digger and is attracted to wealth and status. Broken clocks, remember...

I said that in southern california (where I live, as well as Tom Leykis), especially LA/Hollywood/Orange County, this is most often the case. It's hardly even debatable. If women were never like this there would be no need for prenups, I imagine.

But I was simply defending Tom Leykis' advice, because it is good advice. Had I followed it from day one, I would be a lot better off.

I also know very few married people; lots of people in long term relationships of one or another kind, but no one who fetishizes marriage and weddings.

The majority of women do not fetishize marriage? Well I don't know about the word fetishize, but I stronly disagree with the claim that most women are not concerned with marriage.

Simply turn on the television during the day to the TLC channel and see how many shows are about marriage or weddings or finding the right dress etc.. or go to the newstand and see if you might be able to find a bridal magazine (though it may be hard).

For a case study, I'd like to point to one of my favorite writers of all time, Salman Rushdie.

Now look at the pictures, and tell me what sort of physical attraction the stunningly beautiful Padma Lakshmi may have had for Rushdie had he been a cab driver in New York instead of a world famous (and extremely wealthy) writer.




Then check out this quote from Padma regarding their marital problems before they split:

[Speaking about an upcoming documentary she was working on]

"It's all still in the formative stage, but one thing is sure - I know Salman won't help me in the least in the screenplay department because he'll make me pay him for his contribution, and no matter how big a budget I can come up with, there will still be no way that I can afford him. He's very frustrating in that way," she added.

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