Its the deal and the Home Teachers broke it (DUH!)

[_Trevor]

I prefer Melph's promise:

"And I promise thee that if ye ask if this book be not true, and roll a pair of dice with a sincere heart, and desire exceedingly for the book to be true, yea, the dice shall reveal the truthfulness of this book unto thee."
- Melph 5:4

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I don't recall anyone preaching a "once saved always saved" mentality regarding Moroni's promise. Alma 32 explicitly denies such a claim.

I do not think you are getting the point. a testimony gained through moronis promise is supposed to be a surefire method for determining what is true. The worth of M's P is proven to be nonexistent by the overwhelming rejection of the Book of Mormon.

I taught, was told to teach and was taught that M's P was a tool to be used to effectively convert individuals. Cognitive dissonance always cropped up when, after programming the investigator to recieve the answer LDS Inc. wanted, the answer was not what we had been told would happen.

There was no "IF they reject it", it was always "once they have accepted it". The idea of rejection of the process was nonexistent to us missionaries, it worked all the time unless it was supposedly clouded by a frame of mind inconsistent with what we had warned them against previous to them praying.

By pushing groupthink via members who were friends or family of the investigator one can force an easily swayed individual to bend to the whims of whoever got the missionaries in the door. If its the investigator it was usually a stake missionary playing the role of missionary parrot.

What it comes down to is that to the missionary there is no other option aside from going through the process and convincing the investigator that the ONLY conclusion is that the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be. There is no escape, essentially, out of this process in the mind of the missionary. As soon as the investigator chooses the option of not trusting the church they are either coerced by the Mormons into not trusting their initial reaction or they break off the discussions.

In the illogical world of moronis promise there is no resistance, its futile.

This is so one-track-minded and oversimplistic as to render it essentially futile to attempt to refute.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I believe it was an Elder Young I was serving with at the time, in Edinburgh. A very intelligent and wonderful Mother of two and her children.

How can an Elder be a mother with two children?

He was serving with an Elder Young, they were teaching a mother with two children.

[_Mercury]

This is so one-track-minded and oversimplistic as to render it essentially futile to attempt to refute.

What? Are you playing role reversal again?

[_LifeOnaPlate]

This is so one-track-minded and oversimplistic as to render it essentially futile to attempt to refute.

What? Are you playing role reversal again?

Oooooo checkmate!

[_Mercury]

This is so one-track-minded and oversimplistic as to render it essentially futile to attempt to refute.

What? Are you playing role reversal again?

Oooooo checkmate!

For me, yes. For you the burden is to refute what I said, not throw your hands up and say that its impossible to refute.

in short, you are lazy, but we already knew this.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

This is so one-track-minded and oversimplistic as to render it essentially futile to attempt to refute.

What? Are you playing role reversal again?

Oooooo checkmate!

For me, yes. For you the burden is to refute what I said, not throw your hands up and say that its impossible to refute.

in short, you are lazy, but we already knew this.

I feel no need to refute your egregious overgeneralization. One reason is because it appears there aren't many here who take you very seriously. Seems we are in a similar boat, in that regard. Only the difference is you are "on the team" of the critics, so to speak. You're like that kid on the team who everyone hopes doesn't get into the game because if he does, he's going to chuck up a bunch of airballs.

[_Mercury]

I feel no need to refute your egregious overgeneralization. One reason is because it appears there aren't many here who take you very seriously. Seems we are in a similar boat, in that regard. Only the difference is you are "on the team" of the critics, so to speak. You're like that kid on the team who everyone hopes doesn't get into the game because if he does, he's going to chuck up a bunch of airballs.

Belittling as always. The behavior you express is predictable.

As for the team you are eluding to I do not see myself to be on any team but my own.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I feel no need to refute your egregious overgeneralization. One reason is because it appears there aren't many here who take you very seriously. Seems we are in a similar boat, in that regard. Only the difference is you are "on the team" of the critics, so to speak. You're like that kid on the team who everyone hopes doesn't get into the game because if he does, he's going to chuck up a bunch of airballs.

Belittling as always. The behavior you express is predictable.

As for the team you are eluding to I do not see myself to be on any team but my own.

Airball.

[_The Nehor]

I feel no need to refute your egregious overgeneralization. One reason is because it appears there aren't many here who take you very seriously. Seems we are in a similar boat, in that regard. Only the difference is you are "on the team" of the critics, so to speak. You're like that kid on the team who everyone hopes doesn't get into the game because if he does, he's going to chuck up a bunch of airballs.

Belittling as always. The behavior you express is predictable.

As for the team you are eluding to I do not see myself to be on any team but my own.

I think this would be one of those pot making racial statements about a kettle situations.