No such thing as Moses

[_Jersey Girl]

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[_Jersey Girl]

Where else would you expect to find mention of Moses outside of these tribal stories?

Something without the folklore, basically. Something other than the writings we HAVE, something other than faith documents.
You cannot use these documents describing Moses we have, because, by comparison with other mythologies, and with the use these documents have we see they are faith documents.
So you have to put them aside, you cannot use faith to historically reference someone. What else is there? Moses is just folklore.

Can you name me any other stories/writings from that time period that were NOT tribal folklore?

[_Brenton]

Can you name me any other stories/writings from that time period that were NOT tribal folklore?

That's my exact point. They're all tribal folklore.

All just mythologies, not real stories.

Religious allegory.

[_Jersey Girl]

Can you name me any other stories/writings from that time period that were NOT tribal folklore?

That's my exact point. They're all tribal folklore.

All just mythologies, not real stories.

Religious allegory.

So what you're saying is that there is no reason to believe that those who transmitted their oral history included references to their own ancestors and tribesmen?

[_Brenton]

That is exactly what I'm saying. They were just religious allegory, designed to give people a "compass" in life. There's no reason to believe really anything in the Bible is a reality. This is what the ancients did, they anthropomorphised their awareness of the world into stories.

To be honest, you really said it yourself -- but don't realise it.

[_Jersey Girl]

That is exactly what I'm saying. They were just religious allegory, designed to give people a "compass" in life. There's no reason to believe really anything in the Bible is a reality. This is what the ancients did, they anthropomorphised their awareness of the world into stories.

To be honest, you really said it yourself -- but don't realise it.

Let me try it another way.

Do you think there is any reason to believe that those who transmitted their oral history included references to their own ancestors and tribesmen?

[_Brenton]

Oh I'm sure the people who wrote them did. As you have said yourself, it was originally all oral.

Let me use the analogy of a child asking why there was an earthquake. The human being, with their lack of knowledge, attributes it to an act of God and says "God did this because we didn't do this".

When they began they were just simple explanations, they evolved and gained devotion because they became more complex over time as each person told the story their way, etc, etc,.

[_Jersey Girl]

Oh I'm sure the people who wrote them did. As you have said yourself, it was originally all oral.

Let me use the analogy of a child asking why there was an earthquake. The human being, with their lack of knowledge, attributes it to an act of God and says "God did this because we didn't do this".

When they began they were just simple explanations, they evolved and gained devotion because they became more complex over time as each person told the story their way, etc, etc,.

Brenton,

You and I are talking past eachother. I am well familiar with the development of god belief.

I am asking you if you think any of the persons included in the oral histories of ancient tribes existed.

If you think that they did, how is it that you exclude the possibility of Moses as a historical person?

The oral histories naturally included religious belief. That does in no way rule out the historical Moses.

[_Brenton]

I don't believe Moses existed, no.
I don't believe really any of the religious characters existed.

They were just characters.
Fewer people believe in Satan nowdays, and so there is nothing to unite society against, but now we have the 'terrorist'. It's all just religious dogma, not reality.

Moses holds little to no bearing on the history of Israel by necessity.

[_Jersey Girl]

Brenton,

Do you think that any of the persons included in the oral histories of ancient tribes existed?