What I've learned from apologetics

[_harmony]

Ok Harmony you asked where you accused M of lying, I pointed it out. It is irrelevant that someone else might think the same thing.

What it boils down to is that you've jumped to conclusions without adequate information, and you've taken it upon yourself to s*** on Moniker.

She can not respond here, so quit s*** on her. Don't accuse her of lying, don't accuse her of creating drama, don't suggest that others should come here to discuss her.

Marg... I hate to be the one to point out to you, but you are the one who thinks it's not M who made those posts. You think it's M's mother... and M's mother is not banned from here.

You can't have it both ways. Either she created her own drama, and must bear the consequences of that creation, or her mother created the drama, and can respond here at will.

Either way, I'm not to blame. I'm just the messenger.. .but then, you've been known to shoot the messenger before.

[_Yoda]

The posts in question are a continuation of events that took place on this board which are now deemed off limits by Shades.

The poster in question is unable to respond to allegations of lying on this board.

They are banned.

You make a good point here. Since the rule still stands, we need to be consistent.

I have removed the comment about lying from Harm's post.

I saw no reason, however, to remove the drama comment. It seemed rather benign to me.

[_KimberlyAnn]

If y'all would have just let it go, this thread would have been on the second page in no time and forgotten.

Also, in case no one noticed, it was my name that was unfairly and wrongfully associated with an attempted suicide. It was posted on the MAD board, where I cannot respond because I was banned from there over a year ago. I'm not having a fit about it and am perfectly willing to just let the whole thing go.

Harmony will do what she will. If she's breaking any rules, let Shades handle it.

KA

[_Jersey Girl]

The posts in question are a continuation of events that took place on this board which are now deemed off limits by Shades.

The poster in question is unable to respond to allegations of lying on this board.

They are banned.

You make a good point here. Since the rule still stands, we need to be consistent.

I have removed the comment about lying from Harm's post.

I saw no reason, however, to remove the drama comment. It seemed rather benign to me.

Thanks, Liz. That was more than generous. If I could ask one more thing of you, would you mind removing the "s" word from this thread? You could probably search on the word and easily locate it on this thread.

If we can't use the "r" word out of personal respect for some of the posters on this board, I would like this one time benefit (on behalf of the poster in question) of removing the "s" word from this thread.

[_marg]

You make a good point here. Since the rule still stands, we need to be consistent.

I have removed the comment about lying from Harm's post.

I saw no reason, however, to remove the drama comment. It seemed rather benign to me.

That's better Liz, however I notice you deleted Harm's comment in my post but you didn't delete that same quote in another post, so it's still in this thread. As far as the "drama" comment it does seem benign but it might not seem that way to the poster Harm was personally attacking. It's an accusation, it's a personal attack, it is unjustified because no one knows who wrote the post in question which Harm brought over here. Given you guys have banned the poster in question, it is wrong to write any personal attacks of her.

I wish you some of you religious folks would learn the golden rule and apply it, I don't know why atheists have to be the ones to teach you. Actually correction, I'm not referring to J.G., not only did she appreciate where things were ethically wrong here, but she spent a good deal of time attempting to explain it to you gals, and one of you seems to be as usual stubborn in acknowledging what she's done wrong.

[_Yoda]

That's better Liz, however I notice you deleted Harm's comment in my post but you didn't delete that same quote in another post, so it's still in this thread.

Sorry. I just missed that other quote. I just fixed it.

If you find another one, please email me the link. Sometimes, they're hard to catch.

As far as the "drama" comment it does seem benign but it might not seem that way to the poster Harm was personally attacking. It's an accusation, it's a personal attack, it is unjustified because no one knows who wrote the post in question which Harm brought over here. Given you guys have banned the poster in question, it is wrong to write any personal attacks of her.

I think that calling drama on a board a personal attack is going a little overboard. No matter who caused the drama, the fact is, there was drama. There is always drama here. There is always drama on MAD.

At this point in that post, general drama is really the only thing that is referenced. Since I'm not a fan of censorship to begin with, I'm not going to butcher that post any further. If Shades has issues with it, he can edit it further.

I wish you some of you religious folks would learn the golden rule and apply it, I don't know why atheists have to be the ones to teach you. Actually correction, I'm not referring to J.G., not only did she appreciate where things were ethically wrong here, but she spent a good deal of time attempting to explain it to you gals, and one of you seems to be as usual stubborn in acknowledging what she's done wrong.

I don't think that you are really in a position to lecture anyone on the golden rule, Marg. You have been guilty of being abrasive with posters on occasion as well. I think we all have.

Any time you get a board full of strong-willed people who have very definitive opinions, there are going to be squabbles.

I certainly try to treat others the way I want to be treated. In the time that I have interacted with Harmony, I believe that she has, too.

As far as making mistakes go, no one is perfect. And I'm certainly far from above admitting when I'm wrong.

[_Yoda]

If I could ask one more thing of you, would you mind removing the "s" word from this thread?

I see no reason to edit out what you are referencing at this time. The way it was referenced did not have anything to do with the banned poster, and I would really like to keep censorship to a minimum.

[_marg]

If you find another one, please email me the link. Sometimes, they're hard to catch.

Right and that's likely what happened to the quotes Harm brought over, they were left because they weren't noticed...but good ol Harm noticed them.

As far as the "drama" comment it does seem benign but it might not seem that way to the poster Harm was personally attacking. It's an accusation, it's a personal attack, it is unjustified because no one knows who wrote the post in question which Harm brought over here. Given you guys have banned the poster in question, it is wrong to write any personal attacks of her.

I think that calling drama on a board a personal attack is going a little overboard. No matter who caused the drama, the fact is, there was drama. There is always drama here. There is always drama on MAD.

At this point in that post, general drama is really the only thing that is referenced. Since I'm not a fan of censorship to begin with, I'm not going to butcher that post any further. If Shades has issues with it, he can edit it further.

That's fine you've given your reasoning...and I'll add mine. In the context that Harmony wrote "And the drama" continues it was meant to be more than just a benign comment it was meant as an attack, to set the stage against M. So she accuses her of "continuuing drama", which means she's accusing her of drama here. In other words M is at fault, responsible for the drama from here and is continuuing there. The issue when M was here was not drama . M had legitimate beefs. The issue here was private information was not to be posted on the board..didn't matter whether it was true or not. To also appreciate the context of Harmony's words re drama, in the same post she accuses her of being a liar. That's a serious accusation...and in my opinion a false one.

Let's not play games here. Krose asks a question, K.A. responds, Harmony responds, you respond and K.A. again responds....not one of you mentions that maybe Bond was referring to someone else.

Harmony later says "I just wanted people to see that Bond wasn't saying things about K.A." Harmony is being disingenous. If that was simply her intent...why accuse M of lying, why accuse her of continuuing drama? And what things did Bond say? All he said was "she's banned" and since you all total wrote 4 posts, verifying that K.A. was not banned, there was absolutely no need to attack M.

I wish you some of you religious folks would learn the golden rule and apply it, I don't know why atheists have to be the ones to teach you. Actually correction, I'm not referring to J.G., not only did she appreciate where things were ethically wrong here, but she spent a good deal of time attempting to explain it to you gals, and one of you seems to be as usual stubborn in acknowledging what she's done wrong.

I don't think that you are really in a position to lecture anyone on the golden rule, Marg. You have been guilty of being abrasive with posters on occasion as well. I think we all have.

This is not about abrasive posts. This is about attacking the reputation of a person maliciously without giving them the opportunity to set the record straight. And it took J.G. quite a number of posts before you backed down and removed some of Harmony's posting. She herself hasn't backed down.

Any time you get a board full of strong-willed people who have very definitive opinions, there are going to be squabbles.

This is not about a sqabble. This is about getting the mods and admin on here to appreciate where they are ethically in the wrong.

I certainly try to treat others the way I want to be treated. In the time that I have interacted with Harmony, I believe that she has, too.

It is ethically wrong, to smear another and at the same time disallow the attacked person the opportunity to defend themselves. Keep in mind gals, that just because something is up on the Net that doesn't mean it's fair game. Use discretion and the golden rule.

As far as making mistakes go, no one is perfect. And I'm certainly far from above admitting when I'm wrong.

Harmony is above admitting when she's wrong.

[_harmony]

Once more, just because I'm feeling exceptionally ornery tonight:

1. I didn't make any of the original posts. They were made on a board I am banned from, and accused a person who is also banned from there of something really heinous. (I notice you managed to miss that entirely, marg...)

2. I brought them here to clear up the point about the aforementioned person (who was accused of being somehow connected to a suicide, which she was not connected to, if it even happened) who was incorrectly described as "banned from MDB".

3. If as marg postulated, the original posts were made by M's mother, she is not banned from here and can defend herself here until the cows come home. Where is M's mother now? Why is she not here, defending her daughter? She is free to come here, certainly free to make whatever defense she feels necessary.

4. IF as I assume, the original posts were made by M herself, she created her own drama and can discuss it on MAD to her heart's content. She is not muzzled there. The one who is muzzled on MAD, not permitted to defend M's accusation, is KA. Why aren't you defending KA, marg? Does KA deserve to have her good name smeared on MAD, where she cannot defend herself?

In any case, KA was accused of something she did not do on MAD, I defended her and attempted to clear up the original mistake here, and if you don't like it, marg... tough cookies.

And yes, I'll freely admit when I'm wrong. Your current problem is: I don't agree with you that I'm wrong on this thread (not that I agree with you 98% of the time, but that's not because I don't admit when I'm wrong. That's just because you are clueless... like now).

And yes, I know this is going to pull this thread back up to the top again. Perhaps you should have thought of that, before you ignored the slight to KA, marg. Perhaps M, whoever she may be, should have thought before posting lies about KA on MAD. My advice: get the hell off the boards, if you don't want your posts exposed when you lie. Juliann knows how I am about lies. Maybe marg should learn from her.

[_Jersey Girl]

One for one here, harm.

What lie was posted on MAD about KA?