I guess Wade is gone but still wanted to reply to this post.
wenglund wrote:
truth dancer wrote:Hi Wade,
I think your list is comprised of some examples of a much bigger core issue which is....
Many of the teachings/doctrines/beliefs of Mormonism don't make sense, feel "right", or appear holy/Godly/decent.
In other words, there is too much in Mormonism that goes against ones personal inspiration or intuition of what is "good", too much that doesn't match with ones observations and experience of reality, and too much that seems messy, convoluted, and/or befuddling. ~td~
Doctrinal issues ranked #8 in my survey, so I think you may be projecting here.
But, either way, I got what I came here for, and so for now I bid you all a fond good bye.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
I don't think it is so much doctrinal issues, not at all. Who knows what is doctrine anyway; it is more like the LDS worldview/approach to life doesn't match reality for some non-believers.
I recall a couple of times as a believer trying to fit my experience of existence within the LDS paradigm, thinking I lived in some sort of alternative universe where little made sense or felt right. It wasn't about doctrinal issues but a more underlying way of experiencing life.
So much of Mormonism just didn't fit with how I experience the world/universe.
~td~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj
wenglund wrote:Setting aside for the moment all the snarls, I appreciate those who cooperated with my request. From what I was able to gather, here are the top ten issues:
1. Book of Mormon historicity/authorship 2. Polygamy/Polyandry issues. 3. Revelation (leaders not guided by, members not receiving) 4. Book of Abraham historicity/authorship 5. Blacks and the Priesthood. 6. Church history (white wash, inconsistencies, etc.) 7. Masonry similarities. 8. Doctrinal issues (blood atonement, blood oaths, temple oaths, Mary having sex with God, etc.) 9. Philosophical issues (cruel God, problem of evil, subjectivity, etc.) 10. Patriarchy.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Did someone actually say "Mary having sex with God"? I just read through the thread but I didn't notice anyone having stated that as one of their top 10 problems.
I think your list is comprised of some examples of a much bigger core issue which is....
Many of the teachings/doctrines/beliefs of Mormonism don't make sense, feel "right", or appear holy/Godly/decent.
In other words, there is too much in Mormonism that goes against ones personal inspiration or intuition of what is "good", too much that doesn't match with ones observations and experience of reality, and too much that seems messy, convoluted, and/or befuddling. ~td~
..I think you may be projecting here.
Wow, TD. I think you're right - exactly how I feel.
We can banter all day about all of the various issues. But as you point out, it comes down to this one thing. And all Wade (a member of the square peg/round hole gang) can remark is that you may be projecting.
Tiktaalik wrote:Did someone actually say "Mary having sex with God"? I just read through the thread but I didn't notice anyone having stated that as one of their top 10 problems.
It seems Wade has generalized the responses in this thread into several categories, and then filled in specifics of his own choosing.
Inconceivable wrote:Wow, TD. I think you're right - exactly how I feel.
We can banter all day about all of the various issues. But as you point out, it comes down to this one thing. And all Wade (a member of the square peg/round hole gang) can remark is that you may be projecting.
Thanks inc
Spot on. I would still be an active believer if I could make the Mormon version of reality coincide with my own. I couldn't, and therefore it was a matter of conscience to leave.
Tiktaalik wrote:Did someone actually say "Mary having sex with God"? I just read through the thread but I didn't notice anyone having stated that as one of their top 10 problems.
It seems Wade has generalized the responses in this thread into several categories, and then filled in specifics of his own choosing.
Tiktaalik wrote:Yes, that's what I was suspecting.
I'm guessing his next step will be to remind us why none of this is relevant because it has nothing to do with the seed analogy in Alma and Moroni's promise.
Tiktaalik wrote:Yes, that's what I was suspecting.
I'm guessing his next step will be to remind us why none of this is relevant because it has nothing to do with the seed analogy in Alma and Moroni's promise.
Yep.
And that's why he blew a gasket when I requested he reveal his ulterior motives.
Runtu wrote:I'm guessing his next step will be to remind us why none of this is relevant because it has nothing to do with the seed analogy in Alma and Moroni's promise.
Runtu wrote:I'm guessing his next step will be to remind us why none of this is relevant because it has nothing to do with the seed analogy in Alma and Moroni's promise.
You'll have to fill me in on that one...
Wade believes that Alma 32 and Moroni 10 make the whole of Mormonism true, to the last jot and tittle. So he's prepared to justify polygamy, or anything in Mormonism, because the Book of Mormon came from Joseph's pen/mouth.
In other words, no one ever has an excuse to leave Mormonism. It's sort of like a Catholic saying that because the Bible is true nothing the Catholic Church ever did, or taught, is really all that bad since it springs from One and Only Eternal Truth.
~td~