I quit the Church!!!

[_Some Schmo]

Likely the best decision you'll ever make, Paul. Good for you!

(Although part of me feels like you're punkin' us...)

;)

[_richardMdBorn]

1. Runtu
2. Kevin Graham
3. Ray A
4. Paul O

I started dialoguing with most of these guys after they had changed teams. (Same with Mike Reed.) But I used to debate Chris Tolworthy on his old message board. As an evangelical, I actually found his Bible-numbers-game fairly compelling.

Given my study of the Millerites, I found CT's Bible-numbers-game to be laughable.

[_Gazelam]

Paul,
The way you defend masturbation and homosexuality, I thought you were already out of the church. I wasn't sure, and I assumed you were just acting out due to your divorce.

I hope you get your head straight eventually and come back home. Sorry your life is such a mess right now.

Gaz

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Paul,
The way you defend masturbation and homosexuality, I thought you were already out of the church. I wasn't sure, and I assumed you were just acting out due to your divorce.

I hope you get your head straight eventually and come back home. Sorry your life is such a mess right now.

Gazelam

Ferchissakes Gaz, he did finally get his head on straight and he is back home. Reality is home, free thinking is home, living his life for when his is ALIVE and NOT DEAD is HOME.

I hope that someday I too can add you to my list of Morgamites that finally got their heads on straight and came home to the HUMAN FREAKING RACE.

Best Regards,

-Port'a

[_Ray A]

Paul,
The way you defend masturbation and homosexuality, I thought you were already out of the church. I wasn't sure, and I assumed you were just acting out due to your divorce.

I hope you get your head straight eventually and come back home. Sorry your life is such a mess right now.

Gazelam

Yes, Gaz, we all need to get our heads straight to the "norm". So when a Church leader comes along and says, "The Lord has told me your wife is mine", we must reply, "of course, help yourself to desert; what does one woman matter when I can get a thousand?" What does romantic love matter? What does actually caring about a person matter?

Join the wife smorgasbord. All that matters is that they get us to Celestial glory.

"Brother Cannon remarked that people wondered how many wives and children I had. He may inform them, that I shall have wives and children by the million, and glory, and riches and power and dominion, and kingdom after kingdom, and reign triumphantly,"
(LDS President and Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 178.)

So Christlike. So humanitarian. Seems to me Young considered women no better than "Celestial breeding cattle".

The real problem, Gaz, is that you are yet to realise that what's really perverted is your religious view. If your wife declared tomorrow that she no longer believed in Mormonism, what would you do?

[Guest]

The real problem, Gazelam, is that you are yet to realize that what's really perverted is your religious view. If your wife declared tomorrow that she no longer believed in Mormonism, what would you do?

He might start masturbating?

[_Ray A]

Straight from the Mormon "wife-factory":

"Supposing that I have a wife or a dozen of them, and she should say, 'You cannot be exalted without me,' and suppose they all should say so, what of that? . . . Suppose that I lose the whole of them before I go into the spirit world, but that I have been a good, faithful man . . . do you think I will be destitute there. No, the Lord says there are more there than there are here . . . there are millions of them. . . . we will go to brother Joseph (Smith - ed.) and say, 'Here we are brother Joseph; we are here ourselves are we not, with none of the property we possessed in our probationary state, not even the rings on our fingers"' He will say to us, 'Come along, my boys, we will give you a good suit of clothes. Where are your wives?' 'They are back yonder; they would not follow us.' 'Never mind,' says Joseph. 'Here are thousands, have all you want,'"

(LDS First Presidency Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 209.)

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Straight from the Mormon "wife-factory":

"Supposing that I have a wife or a dozen of them, and she should say, 'You cannot be exalted without me,' and suppose they all should say so, what of that? . . . Suppose that I lose the whole of them before I go into the spirit world, but that I have been a good, faithful man . . . do you think I will be destitute there. No, the Lord says there are more there than there are here . . . there are millions of them. . . . we will go to brother Joseph (Smith - ed.) and say, 'Here we are brother Joseph; we are here ourselves are we not, with none of the property we possessed in our probationary state, not even the rings on our fingers"' He will say to us, 'Come along, my boys, we will give you a good suit of clothes. Where are your wives?' 'They are back yonder; they would not follow us.' 'Never mind,' says Joseph. 'Here are thousands, have all you want,'"

(LDS First Presidency Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 209.)

Yabut, dontchaknow that the mainstreamed revelation of social norms has nulled this out?

[_Nomomo]

Way to go Paul. "Free your mind and your ass will follow."

[_Yoda]

Paul--

You have to do what is best for you. I know that going through the divorce, and learning about certain things regarding the Church has been difficult for you.

You and I have had many private talks.

You know that...above all else....you are my friend.

I love you lots and want what is best for you.

If this is going to make you happy, and feel at peace, then I support you.

As always, I am here for you whenever you need to talk.

*HUGS*

Liz