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[_j-bug]

The proof I have for Abraham's existence really is quite simple. It's documented.

All major world religions, including Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Islam, Judiasm, Christianity, etc. all unequicvocally bear record of his existence. In light of the evidence in so many non-mythical documents attesting to his factual existence, the burden of proof that he never existed is yours.

So? Everyone has their myths. I'd like to see a document with his name on it, like we have found for King David.

Sure, so would I, that would be a pretty cool relic.

Since you too seem intent upon arguing for the mythical status of Abraham and his noble wife that you loathe, I offer you the same opportunity to put some integrity to your word.

Do you accept the declaration I gave to Joseph for yourself? Only in your case as a woman you are barred from having a husband who holds the priesthood. All other conditions being the same.

It's now your choice. If it's just a myth and you are ashamed to be associated to Abraham and his noble wife, let us know you accept my declaration on your behalf.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

This is one of the most bizarre threads I have ever read. Hands down.

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_schreech]

...either way, i find you completely entertaining...thanks!

So... Screech... um... ain't you gonna say nothing about his whole '2-pump chump noodle' thing?

At least to the fact that he said it was 'little'?

Nothing?

Nah...its kinda like i just got insulted by someone's somewhat crazy grandfather...i could feign offense but its hard not to picture j-bug as some crazy angry old fundamentalist who finally found a place to wax crazy...

[_schreech]

If God and Christ are a fiction to you, you gave up way too soon to come to know them personally. Not in the BS manner that most people think they know Him but in the manner Jesus spoke of when he gave the definition of what Eternal Life is.

I had a hunch you would also find me entertaining. That was actually the point of talking about what I'm confident is anything but a little 2-pump chump noodle, even though the avatar you use definitely looks the sort.

Here's the bottom line: You posture as if you live in reality, and compared to the vast majority of religionists, you do. But, you still thrive on fantasy and have a very long ways to go until you can live a real existence. Until you are able to enjoy and be fulfilled by what is real, fantasy will always beckon you as the next best thing.

So you are saying you know God and Christ in the biblical sense?

I do find you immensely entertaining...not sure what you are doing on an LDS discussion board considering it sounds like you are the "prophet" of your own crazy little 2 person cult but, hey, i would love to see you stick around.

"That was actually the point of talking about what I'm confident is anything but a little 2-pump chump noodle, even though the avatar you use definitely looks the sort." - ? - maybe you should have asked your buddy god for a little help with that sentance as its gibberish...

lol - you are a fan of the matrix arent you...take the blue pill man...

[_j-bug]

J-bug,

Before you are randomly snide to everyone, you may want to read a little and gain perspective on posters' positions. Jersey Girl is a non-member, active in her Christian church, and has a great amount of respect for Mormons. She is a close friend of mine, and I can tell you that when she asks a question, it is direct, and she is seeking an answer to the question asked. She was honestly trying to engage you in conversion, not lead you into a bear trap.

Thank you for this. I have reviewed her posts and see the truth of what you speak. I apologize for not treating your dear friend with the level of respect she deserves. I will definitely watch out for her. I have no intentions of being random and wish to always give the utmost respect to those who merit such.

[_harmony]

Since you too seem intent upon arguing for the mythical status of Abraham and his noble wife that you loathe, I offer you the same opportunity to put some integrity to your word.

I don't consider Abraham to be real... so I don't consider Sarah to be real either, noble or loathsome. They're myths that were constructed, maybe based on real people, maybe not, to teach a specific agenda that the men who wrote the books wanted taught. That myth and that agenda have little bearing on my life today. We construct our own myths (you're doing a fine job of constructing your own myth right now.) I consider the Old Testament to be interesting but not especially useful to me.

Do you accept the declaration I gave to Joseph for yourself?

Absolutely not. You and your declarations have no influence whatsoever on my life. You're just another guy on the street corner, shouting words only you care about. You might have better luck with Nightlion; you and he could go for days about which of you is the true prophet.

It's now your choice.

It's always been my choice.

If it's just a myth and you are ashamed to be associated to Abraham and his noble wife, let us know you accept my declaration on your behalf.

I'm not ashamed of the myth of Abraham. I am embarrassed when I see people who should know better believing in Iron Age myth.

[_j-bug]

So you are saying you know God and Christ in the biblical sense?

In terms of the biblical sense of "knowing", They are who know me. I'm in the feminine role toward Them just as Eve was to Adam when He knew Her via Communion/Sacrament.

This is also what is meant when at the judgment there are those to whom Christ shall say, "I knew ye not, depart from me ye workers of iniquity." In other words, it was not Him to which they gave themselves in union and had communion with. They gave themselves to some other Lord. Therefore, they were deceived and were "known" by someone other than Christ and became perverted in iniquity thereby.

As I see it, this is His response to the slicksters who are running the church these days with all their alleged miracles and wonders performed in His name but they are receiving revelation to govern things from someone other than Christ. As I have pointed out elsewhere, they are Cain and hearken to Lucifer by having intercourse with the world and throwing the Father's plan via Joseph Smith to the curb.

I do find you immensely entertaining...not sure what you are doing on an LDS discussion board considering it sounds like you are the "prophet" of your own crazy little 2 person cult but, hey, i would love to see you stick around.

I am not a Prophet of any group and I have zero disciples.

"That was actually the point of talking about what I'm confident is anything but a little 2-pump chump noodle, even though the avatar you use definitely looks the sort." - ? - maybe you should have asked your buddy god for a little help with that sentance as its gibberish...

Sorry about that. That sentence was a doozy. I was responding to how you found me entertaining. I'm telling you I spoke that way to you because I knew you could handle it. There are only so many ways people's attention can be garnered. I'm glad to know I have yours.

lol - you are a fan of the matrix aren't you...take the blue pill man...

I only saw a few bits and pieces of that movie and don't fully know its plot or premise. I do recall the part about the pills but I don't recall the significance of either one.

[_Yoda]

J-bug,

Before you are randomly snide to everyone, you may want to read a little and gain perspective on posters' positions. Jersey Girl is a non-member, active in her Christian church, and has a great amount of respect for Mormons. She is a close friend of mine, and I can tell you that when she asks a question, it is direct, and she is seeking an answer to the question asked. She was honestly trying to engage you in conversion, not lead you into a bear trap.

Thank you for this. I have reviewed her posts and see the truth of what you speak. I apologize for not treating your dear friend with the level of respect she deserves. I will definitely watch out for her. I have no intentions of being random and wish to always give the utmost respect to those who merit such.

Apology accepted. ;)

I am curious about you, J-bug. You mention that you belong to a "pure" line of the LDS Church. What, exactly do you mean by that? Do you attend a mainstream Ward, or are you a leader in some type of off-shoot community? I really wasn't clear by the way you answered my question earlier.

Let me also give you a belated welcome to the board. I am one of the Moderators here, so please feel free to PM me if you have any "techy" questions, or any questions about the rules of the board.

I am mainstream LDS, have been a member of the Church all my life, temple married (the BYU cliché...we met at BYU Freshman year..I wrote him while he was on his mission, and we got married when he came home). That being said, I am, what most people consider, a very "liberal" Mormon. I have very distinct ideas, and do not believe that all of the LDS doctrine is correct. I believe that there are a lot of "ideas of men" that have been mixed in. I have problems with a lot of things that Brigham Young spoke of, have disdain for polygamy, and I also feel that sometimes, members overall, can be very judgmental of others, which is, I believe the opposite of what Christ taught. Therefore, I tend to make friends and enemies on both sides of the aisle here. LOL

I think that you will find Shades' board to be one of the most honest message boards as far as allowing freedom of idea exchanges. That is our vision for the board.

I am curious as to how you heard about us, and also wonder if you have heard of, or posted on the MADB?

[_j-bug]

Since you too seem intent upon arguing for the mythical status of Abraham and his noble wife that you loathe, I offer you the same opportunity to put some integrity to your word.

I don't consider Abraham to be real... so I don't consider Sarah to be real either, noble or loathsome. They're myths that were constructed, maybe based on real people, maybe not, to teach a specific agenda that the men who wrote the books wanted taught. That myth and that agenda have little bearing on my life today. We construct our own myths (you're doing a fine job of constructing your own myth right now.) I consider the Old Testament to be interesting but not especially useful to me.

Ok, so your point here is the written records speak of the significance of having Abraham's physical blood running in your veins, and that by way of such increased privileges and opportunities shall come to you, but that there is not an actual real person whose blood is being spoken of? You are willing to stretch to this level of baseless accusation of mere mythology when the whole premise of the text is based in tangible reality of the blood of one man of which no proof to contradict it exists?

Do you accept the declaration I gave to Joseph for yourself?

Absolutely not.

Ok, then its time for you to shut your mouth and quit making a fool of yourself to speak of things you have little knowledge of.
Dismissing the Old Testament is the foundation upon which all other holy writ rests. It's not surprising to hear you admit you are a gleeful occupant of the great and spacious building with no foundation under you.

You think you can throw that foundation to the curb and then start to speak authoritatively to me about the same God who had that record written? You are who is caught up in your own mythology.

Be honest with yourself and with me. You do not believe in the God of the Old Testament or the New Testament or any other writings of His Prophets. Your conception of Christ does not come from those sources but from the philosophies of men of the world. The name of the god of the world is Lucifer. I suggest you start honestly giving your praise and worship to him.

You and your declarations have no influence whatsoever on my life. You're just another guy on the street corner, shouting words only you care about. You might have better luck with Nightlion; you and he could go for days about which of you is the true prophet.

I don't have to be a prophet to do or say anything I have said to you. It is true I have knowledge sufficient to enable me to predict certain things with absolute confidence, but that's a different matter. I don't know who this Nightlion character is but there would be no contest between us as you suggest because I don't claim to be such to the exclusion of anyone else being such in like manner.

It's now your choice.

It's always been my choice.

Only while your probation yet stands. If you do not awake to your awful situation and repent and meet the terms the Christ of holy writ has laid out for you, if you miss His coming in secret and are not taken into concealment with Him to the place of garnering for safety, you will have one last opportunity only to safeguard your individual agency. The day will come when you will be rounded up and put in line for the asking of one question: "Will you deny Jesus Christ and remain alive or shall we dispose of you?" Depending on how you answer that question will determine what ranges of choices remain available to you for eternity. I hope you are prepared to be killed rather than deny Jesus Christ.

If it's just a myth and you are ashamed to be associated to Abraham and his noble wife, let us know you accept my declaration on your behalf.

I'm not ashamed of the myth of Abraham. I am embarrassed when I see people who should know better believing in Iron Age myth.

You have zero credibility. You sound like a brainwashed college student who took the professor's bait hook line and sinker. Did you watch the video of Yuri Bezemenov and see what part these "useful idiots" have played in the demoralization of America? You should also pay close attention to what he says when these idiots start to become disillusioned when they start to figure out they were being used as minions to put a completely tyrannical oligarchy into power that has no intentions of delivering on the lies they used.

How much time have you spent in college vs. how much time have you spent sincerely studying the Old Testament and all holy writ to understand them plainly?

[_j-bug]

Thank you for this. I have reviewed her posts and see the truth of what you speak. I apologize for not treating your dear friend with the level of respect she deserves. I will definitely watch out for her. I have no intentions of being random and wish to always give the utmost respect to those who merit such.

Apology accepted. ;)

Thank you.

I am curious about you, J-bug. You mention that you belong to a "pure" line of the LDS Church. What, exactly do you mean by that?

I'm at a bit of a loss because I don't recall making that exact claim. As far as the LDS Church goes I wouldn't know what kind of a line I would be "pure" in. What I do know about my geneology is that I am through Joseph's line. Joseph who was sold into Egypt, that is. As far as I can tell, I am not a descendent of Joseph Smith.

Do you attend a mainstream Ward, or are you a leader in some type of off-shoot community? I really wasn't clear by the way you answered my question earlier.

I was intentionally unclear as I really prefer to keep personal details to a minimum. I don't like being stereotyped. I am not a leader in any off-shoot community and I do attend weekly services in the mainstream LDS church with my family.

Let me also give you a belated welcome to the board. I am one of the Moderators here, so please feel free to PM me if you have any "techy" questions, or any questions about the rules of the board.

Thanks, I'll remember that.

I am mainstream LDS, have been a member of the Church all my life, temple married (the BYU cliché...we met at BYU Freshman year..I wrote him while he was on his mission, and we got married when he came home). That being said, I am, what most people consider, a very "liberal" Mormon. I have very distinct ideas, and do not believe that all of the LDS doctrine is correct. I believe that there are a lot of "ideas of men" that have been mixed in. I have problems with a lot of things that Brigham Young spoke of, have disdain for polygamy, and I also feel that sometimes, members overall, can be very judgmental of others, which is, I believe the opposite of what Christ taught. Therefore, I tend to make friends and enemies on both sides of the aisle here. LOL

It's very likely I stand to rock your boat pretty hard. Much of what you say here I can relate to on the surface. However, even with just this cursory glimpse your intent seems to be to pull the church further away from its roots to better please the world. That makes you my fiercest mortal enemy.

I think that you will find Shades' board to be one of the most honest message boards as far as allowing freedom of idea exchanges. That is our vision for the board.

I am probably going to end up a significant temptation to have the plug pulled on my participation here. I hope you are totally solid on your principles, if so it shall serve you well.

I am curious as to how you heard about us, and also wonder if you have heard of, or posted on the MADB?

I think it came up in a Google search or something.
I was on MADB about a year or so ago. I didn't last very long there. You can find posts there in their archives I'm sure. I think my username was simply jbug there without the hyphen.