OPINIONS WANTED: What should we do about images?

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Should we bring back the ability to post images?

 
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_Redefined
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Re: OPINIONS WANTED: What should we do about images?

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Dr. Shades wrote:Well, this poll has been up for a little less than a day, and the results are pretty overwhelming already.

Looks like we'll get them back. Give me a while to go through and enable them for everyone again. I'll also need to make an announcement to that effect and lay down some ground rules. . . not that I'm a fan of rules and restrictions, but to avoid getting ourselves taken offline again.


Might you consider enabling smilies as well. . . ? :)

Please. . .










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Redefined wrote:I agree with Rambo. . . put Joseph to good use. You can designate him as moderator of images, and he can go through and delete the ones that are copyrighted. Perfect solution!

Another solution, maybe people can tweak the image they are posting, just enough to make it their own, if that's what makes it "fair use".

Come on everybody, let's show some love and instead of calling for banishment (not the spirit of the board, by the way. . . shame on y'all!), let's find a middle ground. Whether we like it or not, we're stuck with Josephcop, like the pestering little cousin at the annual family reunion. . . FAMILY, people!

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I agree that we are a family, but one of our own turned on us. There is nothing more despicable. Kick him down. I just looked into my seer stone and it said, "Joseph will be cast into outer darkness where he belongs."
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Hades wrote:I agree that we are a family, but one of our own turned on us. There is nothing more despicable. Kick him down. I just looked into my seer stone and it said, "Joseph will be cast into outer darkness where he belongs."

I agree. A NARC is always a NARC... no apology and the continued ignorance of the quote feature is more than annoying.
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Re: OPINIONS WANTED: What should we do about images?

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For my own board, The Ex-Mormon Forums, I am keeping the images off for now.

I have banned Joseph, and it is unfortunate that his brother, who has been a positive contributor - is also banned due to the IP range.

Joseph has made himself a self-subscribed board copyright monitor. Because of this, you will always be in danger. And even if Joseph does not do anything in the future, he has set precedence. Anyone now knows that a sure quick way to shut down a forum - THIS forum - is to report copyright violations and hope for DMCA takedown notices. So regardless of having Joseph banned, not banned, etc, you and I are now both going to have to deal with this.

What Joseph has done is far beyond trolling, it's just downright despicable. Using a DMCA take down I don't see an issue with it. I have done it and Stan Barker hates me beyond measure for it - but the material was MINE. I didn't troll his board for crap like Joseph is doing.

Joseph is a class act douche bag. And while SWG issued the take down, Joseph still remains at large to do the exact same thing.

Ban Joseph. Keep your images to links only.
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Another solution, maybe people can tweak the image they are posting, just enough to make it their own, if that's what makes it "fair use".
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Take a look at the Stanford site for more information on Fair use. The common conception of 'take an image and change is XX % will only get you in trouble. Derivative works from the original are still protected under the copyright of the original. See Art Rodgers vs Koons where Rodgers photographed a couple holding a batch of puppies. Koons had a group of Italian woodcarvers make a woodcarving from the photo. These links will tell the tale:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_v._Koons
http://copyright.laws.com/famous-cases/rogers-v-koons

Take a look at the ASMP site to get a good overview of Copyright.

http://asmp.org/tutorials/copyright-overview.html
Copyright Tutorial

When is an image a derivative work?

Whenever you take an existing image and modify it to create a different image, you are making a "derivative work." For example, you might composite several images in the darkroom, or you might use Photoshop’s tools to distort a digital photo. Another kind of derivative is the compilation, such as a coffee-table book. In law, it does not matter whether the change is great or small, or whether the result is recognizably like the original; what matters is whether your creative process began with an existing image.



There are three copyright issues that may affect a derivative: original rights, new copyright and disclosure.



Original rights. One of the many rights that a copyright owner enjoys is control over the preparation of derivatives. Thus, if you are building on the work of others, you must obtain permission (unless the original is in the public domain) and you must respect any limitations that the respective owners of the originals may impose. Obviously, if you own the original copyrights, this is not a problem — unless you have sold an exclusive license to someone else.



There are some circumstances where you don’t need the blessing of the original copyright holder, such as for a parody or other fair use. However, you can expect some hostility if you take this route, and you should probably consult a lawyer early on. We also recommend reading the relevant discussion on the Chilling Effects website, including its FAQ about derivative works.



New copyright. The law holds that there can be original authorship if the derivative contains a significant amount of new material or is sufficiently different that it can be regarded as a new work. For instance, in a coffee-table book, the selection and arrangement of the photos is considered “new material” that is worthy of copyright. If there is a new copyright, it covers only the aspects that are original. Thus, the book’s copyright doesn’t affect the copyrights of the photos.



Disclosure. Even though your derivative work is entitled to its own copyright, you must reveal the work’s ancestry when you register. There is a screen for this purpose in the eCO online registration form. (On the old paper Form VA, see section 6a.) Detailed instructions are in the Copyright Office’s Circular 14.

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For those who don't like someone checking up on stuff like theft of images, tough luck. I have checked FOUR images total from this site. One I knew was the image of a friend and the others were 'too good to be true' images. Belmont postings using photos is what got me checking.

Once again, it is the criminal who cries the loudest when caught who is usually the most guilty. Some of you sound just like the scrotes we stuck in jail with the whining and crying about how unfair it is when you are caught breaking the laws.
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Finally voted here, I checked "certain conditions". I tend to think that Infy knows what he's talking about on this. It makes sense to me.

Let's bring them back and link 'em.
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Re: OPINIONS WANTED: What should we do about images?

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enable images, tell who ever wants to tattle to Go have biblical knowledge with themself,

copyright materials can be parodied, it just that simple.
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Joseph wrote:There are some circumstances where you don’t need the blessing of the original copyright holder, such as for a parody or other fair use.

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For those who don't like someone checking up on stuff like theft of images, tough luck. I have checked FOUR images total from this site. One I knew was the image of a friend and the others were 'too good to be true' images. Belmont postings using photos is what got me checking.

Once again, it is the criminal who cries the loudest when caught who is usually the most guilty. Some of you sound just like the scrotes we stuck in jail with the whining and crying about how unfair it is when you are caught breaking the laws.


and its dbags who ignore the finer points of the law and makes false claims. "Mustache you a question" is clearly a parody and within fair use...so how about you go have carnal knowledge of yourself.
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Our freedoms abridged by a law (DMCA) designed to enrich the coffers of the recording industry. In the words of the Spacing Guild and Recording Industry, "The Coke must flow".

I like graphics to make a point or promote seditious humor. Give us our graphics or give us a Bokovoy Barbecue.

We know there will be reporters from the us versus them folks, but are we willing to surrender to them? To the walls brave comrades and all who hold their posting dear should look back to this day when the fate of MD graphics was decided.
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Joseph wrote:Once again, it is the criminal who cries the loudest when caught who is usually the most guilty. Some of you sound just like the scrotes we stuck in jail with the whining and crying about how unfair it is when you are caught breaking the laws.

You sound just like Barney Fife. If I ever find out where you live I will be over to check all your mattresses for tags.
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