I wonder what will happen as Utah becomes less and less LDS

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Re: I wonder what will happen as Utah becomes less and less LDS

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Hoops wrote:In answer to the op's title....

um... it will get better.


Why?
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Buffalo wrote:Edited for accuracy. Utah is the prozac state.


Edited for accuracy. America is a prozac nation. Capitalism will do that to a person.
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Re: I wonder what will happen as Utah becomes less and less LDS

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madeleine wrote:Heber C. Kimball said:

After a while the Gentiles will gather by the thousands to this place, and Salt Lake City will be classed among the wicked cities of the world.


And this may well be true.

Catholics and Mormons have much in common. I just read Laura Ingrahm's book Power to the People. She is a practicing catholic and reading that book was like I was reading a book about values written by a Mormon. But of course she wrote it according to her own catholic beliefs. Most of what she said in that book, Mormons would agree with.

Catholics would be sad to see the Mormons disappear from Utah. They have created a good state where family values matter and where all can live and be as one with their faith in god.
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Re: I wonder what will happen as Utah becomes less and less LDS

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Why?

Because I was kidding. It will be no better nor worse than if they had stayed, had more influence, or less.
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why me wrote:
madeleine wrote:Heber C. Kimball said:

After a while the Gentiles will gather by the thousands to this place, and Salt Lake City will be classed among the wicked cities of the world.


And this may well be true.

Catholics and Mormons have much in common. I just read Laura Ingrahm's book Power to the People. She is a practicing catholic and reading that book was like I was reading a book about values written by a Mormon. But of course she wrote it according to her own catholic beliefs. Most of what she said in that book, Mormons would agree with.


I'd say most people agree with with the moral values of Christianity. It is in the application of these morals where differences are found. Mormons and Catholics have defining differences in this as well.

Catholics would be sad to see the Mormons disappear from Utah. They have created a good state where family values matter and where all can live and be as one with their faith in god.


I don't see that Catholics would be either sad or happy about this hypothetical event. There are a few collaborations between the two religions in UT but for the most part, each does their own thing separate from the other.
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madeleine wrote:I'd say most people agree with with the moral values of Christianity. It is in the application of these morals where differences are found. Mormons and Catholics have defining differences in this as well.

I don't see that Catholics would be either sad or happy about this hypothetical event. There are a few collaborations between the two religions in UT but for the most part, each does their own thing separate from the other.


Most people don't agree with the moral values of christianity because if they did, people would be behaving differently. Most moral codes are shared by catholics and Mormons. Reading Laura's book gave a pretty good impression of this, with her criticisms about fashion and body art and her concern about the moral decay of america. More is shared with the two faiths than not.

Also, for catholics, the departure of the LDS would depend on what replaces them. And if the world is true to form, they wouldn't be replaced by overtly religious people who are actively attempting to do god's bidding. All faiths have differences but for catholics and Mormons who are actively living their faith, much is shared.
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Where non-Catholics, non-Mormons, non-Christians, can and do differ, is the applying of moral laws. For examples, secular society defines for most that a sexual relationship outside of a marriage as acceptable, yet, most people believe that adultery is wrong. Mormons accept polygamy as valid, where all of Christianity understand polygamy as a form of adultery. This is what I mean by the moral laws believed by all are applied differently.

Most people do not behave at all times in a manner that aligns to their belief. This is the struggle for everyone, and anyone who believes otherwise, is most likely self-delusional. Or at the very least, blind.
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madeleine wrote:Where non-Catholics, non-Mormons, non-Christians, can and do differ, is the applying of moral laws. For examples, secular society defines for most that a sexual relationship outside of a marriage as acceptable, yet, most people believe that adultery is wrong. Mormons accept polygamy as valid, where all of Christianity understand polygamy as a form of adultery. This is what I mean by the moral laws believed by all are applied differently.

Most people do not behave at all times in a manner that aligns to their belief. This is the struggle for everyone, and anyone who believes otherwise, is most likely self-delusional. Or at the very least, blind.


Mormons don't accept polygamy as valid. Yes, people are not perfect. But I would prefer Utah to be Mormon than to be moral relativist.
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why me wrote:Mormons don't accept polygamy as valid.


You might want to restate that, why me. Every Mormon in my ward thinks polygamy is valid.
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