Bishop resigns from church

[_Buffalo]

just me doesn't need your advice on how to be Mormon. That was my point. If she feels that not speaking up on controversial topics in class is the best way to manage her beliefs and the practice thereof, that's her call and you're no one to tell her otherwise.
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Just me sits quietly in class thinking just how stupid it all sounds, keeps quiet about issues she has a different take on and then comes here to post her mockings. Is that managing one's beliefs or is it being a hypocrite. Here is the point: all know my position within the church, especially in my ward and with my friends. I am no coward or hypocrite. And I have no fear and I have never beend disciplined or had an invite into the bishops office.

Have you told them what your position is on ejaculating on girls and their clothing?

[_why me]

Maybe, like many ex-Mormons, he feels like he was lied to by the Church and wants to sound a warning to others that are considering joining. His blog may not be about "fame". Maybe it's something he feels he needs to do out of good conscience.

The comments sections proves that he is back in the game...a place where he wanted to be when he posted his leaving the church letter again. Quite frankly I find his letter to be a little problematic. It took him six weeks of research and six weeks of keeping his mouth closed in church. Never voicing his concerns. Then he writes a letter to all the active members for effect under the umbrella of not wanting people to think that he sinned. Actually, he probably did it for the attention that he would get.

But here is the point: people have been leaving the church because of Joseph Smith since 1832. No big deal. And suddenly discovering the journal of discourses is quite sad. I have known about the discourses since the 70's. Most members had them in their own church libraries. No big deal.

[_why me]

Have you told them what your position is on ejaculating on girls and their clothing?

A Mormon lay does not allow this. However, I think that you are confusing me with bill clinton.

[_Buffalo]

Maybe, like many ex-Mormons, he feels like he was lied to by the Church and wants to sound a warning to others that are considering joining. His blog may not be about "fame". Maybe it's something he feels he needs to do out of good conscience.

The comments sections proves that he is back in the game...a place where he wanted to be when he posted his leaving the church letter again. Quite frankly I find his letter to be a little problematic. It took him six weeks of research and six weeks of keeping his mouth closed in church. Never voicing his concerns. Then he writes a letter to all the active members for effect under the umbrella of not wanting people to think that he sinned. Actually, he probably did it for the attention that he would get.

But here is the point: people have been leaving the church because of Joseph Smith since 1832. No big deal. And suddenly discovering the journal of discourses is quite sad. I have known about the discourses since the 70's. Most members had them in their own church libraries. No big deal.

Look at all these dirty attention seekers:

http://Mormon.org/people/

[_Buffalo]

Have you told them what your position is on ejaculating on girls and their clothing?

A Mormon lay does not allow this. However, I think that you are confusing me with bill clinton.

So you're saying you'd only rub your penis against the girls you encountered, but without ejaculating?

[_Themis]

Maybe but I have been down this road before last year. I heard it all from the critics a year ago about this guy and how brave he is etc, etc.

Now one year later I am on the same road hearing the same old wow isn't he brave! There are many bishops in the church. Some leave the faith. No big deal. Most don't make a blog about it. And maybe those that do want recogition. But in the scheme of things, it is no big deal for a bishop to leave the church.

Who cares if he wants to tell his story. People have already explained why he is posting it again, but you want to ignore that. I don't see you complaining about LDS being attention seekers who also tell their story. Can you not see your own hypocrisy here. Again who cares. There is nothing wrong with people wanting to tell their story if they want to, just as there is nothing wrong with other keeping some things to them self like Just ME. Why not try and be fair minded.

[_MsJack]

Just me sits quietly in class thinking just how stupid it all sounds, keeps quiet about issues she has a different take on and then comes here to post her mockings. Is that managing one's beliefs or is it being a hypocrite. Here is the point: all know my position within the church, especially in my ward and with my friends. I am no coward or hypocrite. And I have no fear and I have never beend disciplined or had an invite into the bishops office.

Please. If you were actually speaking up and voicing your opinion on even 50% of the stupid crap you post on this forum, there's no way you would be so remarkably ignorant of what Mormons really believe. You would also know why it can be an incredibly stupid idea to try and correct someone in an LDS Sunday school class.

Let me tell you a story though. I had an LDS relative who decided that s/he really, really wanted to know what I thought about Joseph Smith. I did not want to tell this person how I felt about Joseph Smith, as I figured that the conversation could only end badly. But this person practically twisted my arm on the subject. So I finally blurted out that I thought Joseph Smith was a false prophet.

This person was livid that I would think that---as if it was a huge shock that a Protestant and a non-member didn't believe in the divine calling of Joseph Smith. Their reply was something to the effect of, "I wish your husband hadn't married you into this family." It still hurts to read over that entry in my journal. (Thankfully, the family member in question has mellowed considerably in the last seven years.)

On another occasion, my husband tried to speak up in class over a SS teacher who was doing a lesson on the Word of Wisdom. She was trying to gloss over the part about not eating meat and make arguments for why that part didn't really say what it obviously says and it's okay to eat meat now. My husband basically tried to tell her that her apologetics were lame and the passage says what it says---in much nicer words than that, but he made it clear that he disagreed with what she was saying about the passage.

About a week later, he got called into the bishop's office for a lecture on "not bringing the spirit of contention" to Sunday school class.

Fact is, why me, there are plenty of Mormons who aren't interested in contrary opinions, or corrections, or "ark-steadying," or having their safe and cozy notions of Mormon history and doctrine contradicted. They just want to stick to their mundane, poorly-written lesson manuals and go about their day and not have to think too hard about people who don't think like them. And some of them exhibit highly negative reactions to having their ideas challenged.

My guess is, just me has picked up on this. Now if she wants to speak up in her SS classes, great. More power to her. I'll be her biggest supporter. But if she feels that it's best not to rock the boat too much, that's completely understandable. It's her call to make.

[_why me]

Please. If you were actually speaking up and voicing your opinion on even 50% of the stupid crap you post on this forum, there's no way you would be so remarkably ignorant of what Mormons really believe. You would also know why it can be an incredibly stupid idea to try and correct someone in an LDS Sunday school class.
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Did I say correct someone? I said have a conversation about what someone has said in class. Nothing more. It has nothing to do with correcting anyone. But it has something to do with voicing a different understanding or an insight. Do you see the difference? Maybe not.

I have done this quite often in class and I just recently did it. The sunday school teacher came down hard on me. But so what? The point was to make the comment for the class to consider. By the way, the first counselor was also in the class. He was rather sorry for the way the sunday school teacher replied. See the point?

[_why me]

Fact is, why me, there are plenty of Mormons who aren't interested in contrary opinions, or corrections, or "ark-steadying," or having their safe and cozy notions of Mormon history and doctrine contradicted. They just want to stick to their mundane, poorly-written lesson manuals and go about their day and not have to think too hard about people who don't think like them. And some of them exhibit highly negative reactions to having their ideas challenged.

If you say so. Lets hope that your protestant manuals are much more interesting. Your own antimormonism is showing in this post. Interesting how you can group a people all together in one stroke regardless of the country of orgin for the Mormon.

Glad that protestants are much more open minded in their ideas and in having their faith contradicted. :=)

[_just me]

I really don't understand why this thread turned into one about me.

For anyone interested in the backstory of what the hell our dear friend why me is referring to in my case you can read here.

He believes that I should have told the Relief Society teacher that her story was racist. What is funny is that he has been known to tell other posters to keep their mouths shut.

I am truly stunned and astounded at the precious, unique perspective that why me brings to the forum. When I am not laughing at how out of touch he is with Mormon thought and belief I am cringing at the creepy, disgusting sexual remarks he makes. It must be the unique blend of not-so Mormon, not-so Catholic religious thought that has taught him his courageous, hypocritical, non-christlike assholery. Perhaps threads like this just bring out some latent jealousy that he has not yet acquired the fame and notoriety that he feels he so richly deserves.