Righteousness never was happiness

[_Hoops]

That's my sense of justice as well, Hoops. And I think there are more than just two people who think like this.

Why answer justme in such a short and flippant manner?

Ok.

[_Blixa]

That's my sense of justice as well, Hoops. And I think there are more than just two people who think like this.

Why answer justme in such a short and flippant manner?

Ok.

Well? Geez, man, it makes it hard to want to reply to you when you seem so touchy. Sometimes you even seem a tad, shall I say, self-righteous? When we talk in chat I don't get that sense, so it surprises me to see it here.

[_Hoops]

Well? Geez, man, it makes it hard to want to reply to you when you seem so touchy. Sometimes you even seem a tad, shall I say, self-righteous? When we talk in chat I don't get that sense, so it surprises me to see it here.

Of course I'm self righteous. I am a Christian. We are all that way.

[_Blixa]

Well? Geez, man, it makes it hard to want to reply to you when you seem so touchy. Sometimes you even seem a tad, shall I say, self-righteous? When we talk in chat I don't get that sense, so it surprises me to see it here.

Of course I'm self righteous. I am a Christian. We are all that way.

Argh. argh. argh. argh. argh.

You know I don't think that. So why say it?

I'm not going to keep replying, but please think about this, Hoops. I like you.

[_Quasimodo]

He didn't mention me by name, but I think he may of had me at the back of his mind.

Hardly.

Thanks, Hoops, for the vote of confidence! When I come to judgement day, I'll use you as a reference (if you don't mind).

[_huckelberry]

I agree with the OP, except that I would tweak the phrase a bit make it read "Self-righteousness never was happiness."

a short phrase that clarifies this subject quite a bit. thanks

[_huckelberry]

Hoops spoke," inputed righteousness" and was asked where in the Bible is that from.

The understanding,inputed is one which results from reflection and analysis more than a proof text. It is strongly held by some Christians and rejected by others. Catholics tend to reject it. My own take, I have spent some time reading about the matter in the past, is that it is a dispute which tends to cut the baby in two.

Inputed righteousness is a phrase which can be used to summerize Luthers observations and understanding of how grace works. I think it has real value but I do not belief it tells the whole story.

I am not claiming to be an expert on the dispute but the familiarity I do have makes me think that perhaps Hoops is reticent to jump into a difficult argument with people not particularly interested in taking its difficulty seriously.

[_Zelder]

I can relate to the OP to some degree. My first day in France the mission president gave each of the new missionaries an interview. I will never forget this experience. He asked: "What's the hardest that you have ever done?" I could not think of something impressive and after thinking for 5 seconds I replied stupidly: "I don't know." He then proceeded to tell me that this mission would be the hardest thing I had ever done. He was right and to this day I think it was still the hardest thing I have ever done.

All my life I had been told that missions were faith promoting experiences. I didn't have a faith promoting experience. I had a faith trying experience. I learned that I could not obey all the rules and that trying to do so would make me miserable. I didn't consciously think this but I learned it. I did obey nearly all the rules all the time but I learned to relax a little, not worry so much. I've learned more and more over time that it's not about the rules, I'm not happy following rules. But righteousness as in "love one another" as taught my Jesus does make people happy. That's what I've learned.

My mission was an extremely valuable experience though. It was hard but I was happy. I overcame depression and learned skills that I needed to cope with life.

[_Zelder]

No one deserves to be tortured for an infinite amount of time.

No one will be. See versus 6 through 12.

http://classic.scriptures.LDS.org/en/dc/19

Everyone will be saved in a kingdom of glory. that's the good news. Gods loves us.

[_just me]

No one deserves to be tortured for an infinite amount of time.

No one will be. See versus 6 through 12.

http://classic.scriptures.LDS.org/en/dc/19

Everyone will be saved in a kingdom of glory. that's the good news. Gods loves us.

Praise Jesus! Phew. I was worried.