Holland's second "scolding" at BYU

[Dr Moore]

David Bokovoy says it well over on Facebook:

Man! It’s been a couple days now and I’m still feeling floored. Jeffery R. Holland, an Apostle for the LDS Church, publicly shamed that young man who came out via an officially approved BYU address, and used a metaphor of violence directed against the LGBTQ community. Then he usurped the pain that gay people feel and presented it as his own. That was a super crappy thing to do! Good human beings don’t behave that way. They just don’t, man. I’m going to now let this go cause I’m pretty disengaged, but I am also greatly disappointed. That really is just shameful.

[Shulem]

David Bokovoy says it well over on Facebook:

Man! It’s been a couple days now and I’m still feeling floored. Jeffery R. Holland, an Apostle for the LDS Church, publicly shamed that young man who came out via an officially approved BYU address, and used a metaphor of violence directed against the LGBTQ community. Then he usurped the pain that gay people feel and presented it as his own. That was a super crappy thing to do! Good human beings don’t behave that way. They just don’t, man. I’m going to now let this go cause I’m pretty disengaged, but I am also greatly disappointed. That really is just shameful.

When and if there is a horrific act of violence against an LGBTQ person at BYU there will be questions brought to the press about Holland's address given for the purpose to incite such violence whether intended or not. Holland will be questioned. He has put himself in grave danger if things really go south and someone out there performs rabid violence. It could be said that Holland helped instigate said violence with religious undertones to that effect.

Oh boy. You screwed up Holland! Big time gamble on your part.

[Shulem]

COURT PROCEEDINGS

Yeah, I shot the queer because an apostle of God called us to take up arms and defend our university from being invaded by queers...

ABC News reporting

[dastardly stem]

They were forced to visit a prison once a week?

Pretty sure he said they were forced to visit prison once. And then after that once a week they read Miracle of Forgiveness.

some were former Saints, most were not. However, all of them insisted that if they had done exactly what Elder Kimball demanded or had not done what he warned against, they would not have ended up in prison--many in a sex-offenders unit.

Most weren't members but all of them had read the book?

I'm guessing the local stake had people go to a prison every so often to minister in some way. He and his wife were volunteered to go once because they were missionaries. His use of "fprced" makes me think they went once and never again. As in they likely avoided the assignment at all costs.

While at prison some member prisoner told him about Miracle of Forgiveness and that interaction turned into a story of him sitting in front of all the prisoners together while they all told him of their enlightened moments when reading that guilt-inducing book. I mean "many in a sex-offenders unit"? Even psychopaths learn to express guilt. But his exaggeration is kind of silly sounding.

"one visit and I learned all I needed to know about these chumps...each and every one of them. Plus many were sex-offenders, I hear."

[Res Ipsa]

Stem, could be. I read it as they visited the prison once a week [to read LDS books to the prisoners?] and the inmates insisted that they read the Miracle of Forgiveness.

[jlamothe]

When and if there is a horrific act of violence against an LGBTQ person at BYU there will be questions brought to the press about Holland's address given for the purpose to incite such violence whether intended or not. Holland will be questioned.

Again, I can't say for sure of he intended for that to happen, but I can all but guarantee he knew it might.

[IHAQ]

Jana Riess weighs in.

https://religionnews.com/2021/08/25/eld ... esteryear/

Her summary is clear enough:

In other words, the meeting actively sought to address the cultural reality that a university is a diverse place with a mission to include everyone. In that context it was ironic the most important speaker of the day was looking backward to a different era. The overt, spoken message of the meeting was that inclusion is important; the unfortunate and unspoken subtext of Holland’s talk was that the voices of nonwhite, nonheterosexual, nonmale members of the church are unimportant.

I've read the article now. She absolutely slaughters him. Laying bare for all to see his unconscious sexism, racism, anti-gay belief and lack of self awareness. Holland would do well to avoid reading it.

[drumdude]

Holland would do well to avoid reading it.

LDS leaders are completely insulated from criticism and anything negative. They exist in a bubble of yes-men who say everything is perfect, the work continues, growth is exponential, and the world loves and respects them.

That's why Holland can make horribly oblivious speeches like this. He has no self awareness because he is absolutely blind to criticism.

[Shulem]

When and if there is a horrific act of violence against an LGBTQ person at BYU there will be questions brought to the press about Holland's address given for the purpose to incite such violence whether intended or not. Holland will be questioned.

Again, I can't say for sure of he intended for that to happen, but I can all but guarantee he knew it might.

And if it does happen he will be answering for it when the news crews come knocking on the door. The world will be watching and questions will loom.

[Res Ipsa]

I, too, thought Riess wrote a good, thoughtful article.