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Buffalo wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to bolster your case by quoting Mr. Graham falsely accusing someone of lying.


Easy. Do a filtered search through his posts and look to every instance of the word "liar."

I've followed Red for years, from the days that the was a frothing at the mouth apologist. He's been kicked off of, banned, suspended from so many boards and lists it makes one's head spin. And it is usually the same offense. He can't control his emotions and his personal attacks get the better of him.

Of course, none of that really bothers me. What bothers me is that his writing is so obtuse and I perspire following his train of thought. But, I still read and enjoy his posts immensely. At least he's knowledgeable, unlike Buffalo and so many others here.
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Kevin Graham wrote:I apologize to Chris for sharing that information with the forum.

*slams door in Kevin's face* :wink:
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Yahoo Bot wrote:My ten year old son, after reading one of Red's posts about me, asked me why I was such a liar.


Wow, you let your ten year old read posts from here?

once again, wow
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Yahoo Bot wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to bolster your case by quoting Mr. Graham falsely accusing someone of lying.


Easy. Do a filtered search through his posts and look to every instance of the word "liar."

I've followed Red for years, from the days that the was a frothing at the mouth apologist. He's been kicked off of, banned, suspended from so many boards and lists it makes one's head spin. And it is usually the same offense. He can't control his emotions and his personal attacks get the better of him.

Of course, none of that really bothers me. What bothers me is that his writing is so obtuse and I perspire following his train of thought. But, I still read and enjoy his posts immensely. At least he's knowledgeable, unlike Buffalo and so many others here.


Great, then it should be very easy for you to provide us with a single example. I'll be waiting. :cool:
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SteelHead wrote:I offer a simple solution, bot, to your conundrum.

Stop lying.


Fat chance.
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Kevin Graham wrote:I apologize to Chris for sharing that information with the forum. But it was a knee-jerk response and I wanted to make two points perfectly clear in light of Gee's swipe.

1. Chris is a gentleman and a scholar.
2. John Gee is neither.


I strongly disagree with the latter. John Gee is definately a scholar. He's a dishonest one, I'll grant that, but he IS a scholar. He knows his Egyptology better than all of us put together. He's a pro. No doubt about that. But, he is a liar for the Lord too and a grumpy SOB living deliciously on church tithes. And he KNOWS that Joseph Smith didn't know what he was talking about when he attempted to fool the church with the so-called Explanations of Facsismile No. 3. Gee can't defend them and he knows he will be roasted over the coals the moment he does. He probably is just trying to forget they even exist. He'll have to avoid that section of his LDS scriptures so he can sleep at night. Or does he sleep? I don't know, he looks damn bad for his age.

:lol:

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Shulem wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:I apologize to Chris for sharing that information with the forum. But it was a knee-jerk response and I wanted to make two points perfectly clear in light of Gee's swipe.

1. Chris is a gentleman and a scholar.
2. John Gee is neither.


I strongly disagree with the latter. John Gee is definitely a scholar. He's a dishonest one, I'll grant that, but he IS a scholar. He knows his Egyptology better than all of us put together. He's a pro. No doubt about that. But, he is a liar for the Lord too and a grumpy SOB living deliciously on church tithes. And he KNOWS that Joseph Smith didn't know what he was talking about when he attempted to fool the church with the so-called Explanations of Facsismile No. 3. Gee can't defend them and he knows he will be roasted over the coals the moment he does. He probably is just trying to forget they even exist. He'll have to avoid that section of his LDS scriptures so he can sleep at night. Or does he sleep? I don't know, he looks damn bad for his age.

:lol:

Paul O

From what I've heard, Gee is quite the breeder too. I heard he has 8 kids under the age of 9! His poor wife! Literally barefoot and pregnant her entire adult life.
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Well, there you go. Again. If somebody doesn't agree with you, you call them a liar.


That's the beauty of complaining about someone calling others a liar. You can presumably get away with lying because if he calls you out for lying, you've supported your point.

This is very much the same way a number of racists like to attack people for race baiting. Juxtaposed with Bot's affinity for lying we get a something like:

Bot: "That porch monkey has nothing better to do that use the race card"

Kevin: "That was a very racist thing to say."

Bot: "See what I mean folks?"

In any event, I don't recall calling Bot a liar except that he lies when he claims I call everyone I disagree with a liar. He knows this isn't even close to being true as does Daniel Peterson. I've argued with dozens of folks on these forums without calling them liars. But they say it anyway. Why? Because they are desperately trying to shoehorn me into the caricature they've created as a means of discrediting me as one who "cries wolf."

All of this is pretty funny too, given Bot's accusation of "coward" towards anyone who uses a pseudonym.

Mormon apologists have accused virtually all critics of intentional deception on some level. What's the difference between this and calling them liars? Bot and Peterson want you to believe there is a difference. I remember last year Dan Peterson complained because I called him or someone else disingenuous, and then I scrubbed his FARMS articles and provided a half dozen examples where he used the same exact word to describe authors of books critical of Mormonism. His justification of course was hilarious. You see, to Peterson, there was nothing wrong with him doing this because the word was an accurate description of hit target authors. But when I accuse apologists of being disingenuous based on actual evidence, it is to be considered a stain on my integrity because they assume apologists are never disingenuous. It is all about double-standards and personal delusions with these folks.

There is no difference in calling someone a liar and saying they are intentionally dishonest. Folks on the MAD board say this about me all the flippin time, especially Pahoran. Bot wants us to believe there is a huge difference but there isn't. I don't mince words. I say what's on my mind, especially if there is enough evidence to support my accusation. And much to their chagrin, there is a ton of evidence proving these people are "intentionally dishonest" with their audiences. They cannot deal with the evidence, hence these sideshows about how I call everyone I disagree with a liar. To this day, no one has dared tried to defend John Gee's blatant deception with his manipulation of the KEP photos. It just gets swept under the rug as an "honest" mistake and we're all supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt. This is something they'd never forgive if a critic did this. Are you serious? We'd never hear the end of it! It would go down as proof that ALL critics, not just this one, are deceptive minions of Satan. But when it is proven beyond all doubt that the Church's only scholar of Egyptology is willing to lie at the drop of a hat, they think it is bad form to point this out. Because he went to Yale and is presumably a scholar, we're supposed to lower our expectations? Only in their world. In any other context real scholars are held to a much higher standard.

Bot is also "intentionally dishonest" about my banning from all these so-called message boards. What ever in the hell is he talking about? The only forum that banned me recently invited me back for crying out loud. And off the top of my head, I can only think of a handful of people, out of literally hundreds I've conversed with, who have intentionally lied to me.
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Re: John Gee responds

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Kevin Graham wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:I don't understand Gee's hostility towards you, CK. Why is he so angry and upset? It's just bizarre.


Years ago Chris said Gee was dishonest when he deliberately misused a source. The MAD forum went completely apeshit and Chris immediately apologized.

But Gee is all about grudges and so is DCP.


It's all part of that wonderful warped Christianity taught and practiced in the Mormon church where following the brethren at any cost is more important than loving people for loves' sake. He'll, even Jesus takes a back seat when it comes to the will of the brethren. Anyway, Gee and Peterson are just pawns in the game and both of them could find themselves excommunicated in a heartbeat the moment they start owning up to truth and admit their church is a bloody cult.

Neither of them have real balls. But you never know. Time will tell.

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Re: John Gee responds

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Kevin Graham wrote:In any event, I don't recall calling Bot a liar except that he lies when he claims I call everyone I disagree with a liar.


Rest assured that Yahoo Bot has engaged in plenty of dishonest behavior toward beastie and in regards to a number of other issues, whether you had the opportunity to call him out on it or not.

Bot is also "intentionally dishonest" about my banning from all these so-called message boards.


SOP for Bot.
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