L. Tom Perry Takes Dead Aim at the Left in Conference

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Droopy wrote:This was a new and quite lucid "choose you this day" moment for the NOM's, "Reform," and "neo-Orthodox" cultural Mormons, and especially those among the small but vocal liberal LDS academic elite who fancy themselves the authentic "anointed servants" and oracles of the Lord among the Latter-day-Saints (and perhaps those "voices" of "Mormon life and culture") who, having at first tasted of the fruit of the Tree of Life, and then having looked around and made eye contact with the cool, hip people in the Great and Spacious Building, felt ashamed, and, well, not really left the Church in the way many leave the Church (leaving it and attacking it from the outside), but began a life's work of boring from within the Church such that, eventually, the Church will leave the gospel.


Droopy, once these NOMs have looked around the "Great and Spacious Building" as you put it, and found it wanting, what do you suggest they do? Would you favor converting it into a conservative political advocacy organization?
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Droopy wrote:In the first place, each and every cent of the money the wealthy have earned through productive, legal economic activity is theirs. It is there money. lt does not belong to the state. It does not belong to you. It does not belong to me.


There money as opposed to here money?
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Droopy wrote:
What is normally called "the Left" in political philosophy and political activism is, in my view, really just a very broad, systemic, fractious, and always proliferating manifestation of what the Book of Mormon calls the "Church of the Devil," which is the entire, generalized body of such moments, organizations, and ideologies that have come to dominate the major institutions of the world (it sitteth upon many waters) and defines and determines much of what one sees and is exposed to in the pop culture, in education, in much popular literature, and which dominates attitudes, assumptions, and settled dogma within most governments.

Its not a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination or 9/11 truther sense, but because of the core assumptions underlying all these movements and ideologies, and because all of them, regardless of how they may fight amongst themselves over various points of doctrinal purity, have one, central enemy against whom they can and understand they must all come together (combine) to fight and try to destroy (Zion, the gospel, the Church, and anything that partakes to any substantive degree of its principles, which means in historical practical application the entire western classical liberal/Judeo-Christain social, cultural, intellectual, and ethical tradition; conservatism (across all issues), mainstream libertarianism (in economics, political economy, and the proper scope and function of the state), America, and Israel), it has a strong systemic character: it shares very similar goals and vision, and hence, always works against, and combines against, Christ and this Church, and any social system in which there is a whiff of such principles.

There are things that fall outside the "Left" that are also a part of the GAAC (yes, I know this sounds like a sound you make after you've swallowed a Dragonball Z action figure, but that's why I like it), but even here, the difference is usually a lack of or disinterest in a larger ideological vision and a psychological/emotional commitment to an antinomian lifestyle, not an absolute incompatibility with the Left (and the Left has pretty much absorbed and created elaborate theoretic justifications for almost all known avant garde behaviors and "alternative lifestyles" known to human beings, so they won't be left out, even if some of the practitioners themselves are non-ideological (even though they may have a developed personal philosophy about such things) about their own approach to life).


Three hundred ninety words. Each of these paragraphs is one sentence. Parentheticals are nested in other parentheticals. My goodness.
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Droopy wrote:Image
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Kishkumen wrote:
Droopy wrote:Image

I think it should be be shattered--his brains, 'battered, splattered all over Manhattan.'
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Kishkumen wrote:
Droopy wrote:In the first place, each and every cent of the money the wealthy have earned through productive, legal economic activity is theirs. It is there money. lt does not belong to the state. It does not belong to you. It does not belong to me.


There money as opposed to here money?



No logical argument or serious, critical analysis of my argument, Kish?

No matter, You never have had (which is, of course, why you always play these games).
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Droopy wrote:No logical argument or serious, critical analysis of my argument, Kish?

No matter, You never have had (which is, of course, why you always play these games).


It is not worth my time to argue with your Kaczynskiesque manifestos. That cracked pot is more susceptible to reason.
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Bottom line: Elder Perry to dead aim at two core aspects of the contemporary Left: Keynesian economic policy, and the entitlement mentality, a psychology and attitude engendered by the welfare state and the poverty industry that supports it, both within and without government.

Not a single serious, rational, critically substantive response or attempted rebuttal yet, save for one, which was not a critical argument but an emotion-based pop Marxist rant.

Well, this thread has done its work. The usual suspects showed up with their usual non-answers, non-arguments, and ad hominem high school antics.

Argument won. Case closed.

Yet again.
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"I have interpreted a passing comment from a milquetoast Mormon televangelist as affirmation that anyone who does not agree with the ultra-right wing talking points I parrot, or the implausible religious mythos that informs my worldview, is a puppet of a scary invisible man who tries to get us to masturbate and watch rated R movies as revenge for the demigod who lives on the planet Kolob rejecting his plan that would force us to become deities."

Sweet victory!
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Droopy wrote:Bottom line: Elder Perry to dead aim at two core aspects of the contemporary Left: Keynesian economic policy, and the entitlement mentality, a psychology and attitude engendered by the welfare state and the poverty industry that supports it, both within and without government.

Not a single serious, rational, critically substantive response or attempted rebuttal yet, save for one, which was not a critical argument but an emotion-based pop Marxist rant.

Well, this thread has done its work. The usual suspects showed up with their usual non-answers, non-arguments, and ad hominem high school antics.

Argument won. Case closed.

Yet again.


You have demonstrated no such thing, Droopy. Elder Perry did not specify government use of credit or the social safety net. A couple of buzz words embedded in a talk tells me, at best, that this apostle is a conservative like you (although, arguably a lot less nutty), not that God endorses Republican politics.

So, who gives a flying crap about your cherry-picking of GC quotes to do your little one-man rave party?

I know I don't. Party on, but it does not vindicate your retrograde lunacy.
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