Josephine Sessions

[_Darth J]

Droopy, in the real world...

In the real (non-courtroom/litigatory/law school) world, this is an irrelevant argument, perhaps useful in a courtroom, but not in the unfettered marketplace of ideas and evidence.

The facts remain that the evidence for the critic's position on this is paper thin, and provides, at best, only plausibilities, not seriously compelling evidence.

I'm talking about your theological assertion, Droopy. Why would a god need more than one wife to produce spirit children?

P.S. I appreciate the attempted change of subject, but I do take some comfort in knowing that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about and have never been in a real courtroom or a real law school.

[_Droopy]

Maybe they have "knats" in an illiterate part of South Carolina, but not here.

Droopy learned about knats when he studied knosticism.

No, I learned about gnats (typo corrected) when I was studying Trul Khor on the Isle of Capri with Master Chim Chim Cher-ee of the White Python clan.

Gnats have strange powers that, when fully understood, make plural marriage a cake walk.

[Guest]

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[_Droopy]

I also learned a lot about gnats from being on this board since 2006, and swatting them down can become a full-time job if one is not careful.

[_Darth J]

Droopy, since you have a difficult time keeping track of what the issue is, I will remind you:

It doesn't really matter, from a "The Church is true!!!!" perspective, whether or not Joseph Smith had sex with Sylvia Sessions. Here is why, as I explained almost three years ago:

Doctrine and Covenants 132 gives specific parameters for when plural marriage is acceptable to the Lord:

*The consent of the previous wife must be sought
*The plural wives must be virgins
*The plural wives must be vowed to no one else
*A man's plural wives "are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth"

D&C 132:61-63

The Book of Mormon also specifies that the purpose of plural marriage is to raise up a seed to the Lord (i.e., have a lot of kids). Jacob 2:30

In practicing plural marriage, Joseph Smith:

*Frequently did not seek Emma's consent/hid his plural marriages from Emma
*On January 17, 1842, married Mary Elizabeth Rollins, who was several months pregnant (obviously not a virgin)
*Entered polyandrous marriages with the wives of other men
*Had no known children with his plural wives

Joseph Smith continuously violated the requirements for plural marriage that the Lord revealed in D&C 132. We also learn from the Doctrine and Covenants that the powers of the priesthood can only be exercised in righteousness.

34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?
35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—
36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.
37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

D&C 121

How do you reconcile the claim that Joseph Smith continued to be a prophet until his death with his violating the commandments about plural marriage, which would have caused the Spirit of the Lord to withdraw from him and his priesthood authority to cease?

[_Droopy]

I'm talking about your theological assertion, Droopy. Why would a god need more than one wife to produce spirit children?

That's an ultimate metaphysical question, Darth, quite beyond the courtroom, or me, or even the gospel of Jesus Christ as it has been revealed thus far. If you're going to ask questions about ultimate metaphysical/ontological states of affairs, the Celestial room would be the better place for that, but I have a feeling that, when the rubber meets the road, your not really up for that, Darth.

Why did God create the earth at all, or us? Why even bother with any of it?




P.S. I appreciate the attempted change of subject, but I do take some comfort in knowing that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about and have never been in a real courtroom or a real law school.[/quote]

[Guest]

No, I learned about gnats (typo corrected) when I was studying Trul Khor on the Isle of Capri with Master Chim Chim Cher-ee of the White Python clan.

Gnats have strange powers that, when fully understood, make plural marriage a cake walk.

You're of course referring to your shrill insistence that there was no such martial art as Trulkor, based on your extensive experience of taking a few kung fu classes in the 1970's and uncritically accepting as gospel truth a book purporting to be a comprehensive encyclopedia of every martial art that has ever existed. Then you found evidence that there really is a martial art called Trulkor, and yet you are still insisting, contrary to fact that you discovered on your own, that there is no such thing.

Jesus Christ, you're like a cartoon caricature of every negative stereotype about the mentality of right-wing Mormons. Don't take that the wrong way, though. It makes for good lulz.

[_Darth J]

I'm talking about your theological assertion, Droopy. Why would a god need more than one wife to produce spirit children?

That's an ultimate metaphysical question, Darth, quite beyond the courtroom, or me, or even the gospel of Jesus Christ as it has been revealed thus far. If you're going to ask questions about ultimate metaphysical/ontological states of affairs, the Celestial room would be the better place for that, but I have a feeling that, when the rubber meets the road, your not really up for that, Darth.

Why did God create the earth at all, or us? Why even bother with any of it?

We know from LDS scripture why God made the earth and us. It is because it is his work and his glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. We're still missing a reason why a god would need more than one wife to make spirit children. If this is beyond you or the revealed gospel so far, why did you assert it as a defense of Joseph Smith's serial adultery?

[_Droopy]

You're of course referring to your shrill insistence that there was no such martial art as Trulkor, based on your extensive experience of taking a few kung fu classes in the 1970's

Years, Darth.

and uncritically accepting as gospel truth a book purporting to be a comprehensive encyclopedia of every martial art that has ever existed.

And many more years of intellectual study of the history, theories, and forms of the Asian martial arts.

Then you found evidence that there really is a martial art called Trulkor, and yet you are still insisting, contrary to fact that you discovered on your own, that there is no such thing.

I insisted nothing. I'm playing with you. To be fair to myself, however, this is a very obscure form, and its claimed relation as a precursor to Ninjitsu is very conjectural.

Meanwhile, your own alleged knowledge of the Asian martial arts, as I showed and as you demonstrated quite satisfactorily, was abysmal.

Stick to chasing those flashing red lights, Darth, and leave the serious subjects to the real hep cats.

[_Darth J]

You're of course referring to your shrill insistence that there was no such martial art as Trulkor, based on your extensive experience of taking a few kung fu classes in the 1970's

Years, Darth.

Oh, okay. Four decades ago, you took kung fu classes for a few years.

and uncritically accepting as gospel truth a book purporting to be a comprehensive encyclopedia of every martial art that has ever existed.

And many more years of intellectual study of the history, theories, and forms of the Asian martial arts.

Oh, of course. Some of us had to manage with actually really doing it, but how can that compete with reading Black Belt magazine and watching Hong Kong kung fu porn?

Then you found evidence that there really is a martial art called Trulkor, and yet you are still insisting, contrary to fact that you discovered on your own, that there is no such thing.

I insisted nothing. I'm playing with you. To be fair to myself, however, this is a very obscure form, and its claimed relation as a precursor to Ninjitsu is very conjectural.

No crap. All of this mythology and folk tale stuff about martial arts is conjectural. But to be fair to what you really said, you said it did not exist, based on: you had never heard of it. This merely begs the question of why you should have heard of it.

Meanwhile, your own alleged knowledge of the Asian martial arts, as I showed and as you demonstrated quite satisfactorily, was abysmal.

Right, right. Like asserting that Tang Soo Do is from Okinawa and that Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do don't borrow their hyung from Shotokan karate, and then proving yourself wrong.

By the way, as much as I appreciate your Walter Mitty fantasies about how you're a martial arts master and an intellectual and a renowned Mormon apologist, when someone is challenging another person's knowledge of martial arts, the fanboy trivia contest you are offering is not the way they establish that. Just FYI.

Stick to chasing those flashing red lights, Darth, and leave the serious subjects to the real hep cats.

Yes, well, as much as I have enjoyed your fanboy irrelevancies about things you haven't done in real life in about 40 years, why would a god need more than one wife to make spirit children?