Abortion Split from: "What the [LDS] church misrepresented in the AP article response"

[Rivendale]

I love the quote by Tracy Harris." The difference between me and your God is I would stop child rape if I could. Instead he watches and punishes later". Jesus had a reboot attempt with Joseph , aledgedly where he could have cleared up abortion slavery, microorganisms in water but polygamy took the spotlight. Horrific.

Agency and nature’s God.Two things that some folks would disrupt. The question is what would be the consequences?

I’m thinking that only God knows. And he knows better than to disrupt nature and agency.

Then when sh** happens folks get all worked up.

One can take the position that polygamy was a command of God and that abortion, slavery, and microorganisms in water fall under the category of nature and agency.

And that generally speaking God will not interfere.

You see, there are many folks that think God isn’t smart enough to have a plan…and failsafes…to see that his purposes/goals for mankind are met. Those same folks often think they could do better.

Regards,
MG

That ideology could saunction anything. God allows this but not that is a nice dodge. Yet we have to live through the carnage.

[dastardly stem]

I’ve yet to see a coherent argument from you, mg. You say abortions are wrong, right? Why?

Abortions happen whether people want them to or not. Only god has the knowledge and powers to prevent them, correct? He could inspire people to not choose an abortion and he could prevent any abortion on your belief. And he could at the very least tell your leaders that there should never be an exception to no abortion. But he does none of that. He supports the concept of abortion, obviously. This world is set up to see billions of abortions. He chose that, supports it and believers say that’s his plan.

It seems you’re lashing out and refusing reason and logic because this teaching of yours is so terrible.

[MG 2.0]

Agency and nature’s God.Two things that some folks would disrupt. The question is what would be the consequences?

I’m thinking that only God knows. And he knows better than to disrupt nature and agency.

Then when sh** happens folks get all worked up.

One can take the position that polygamy was a command of God and that abortion, slavery, and microorganisms in water fall under the category of nature and agency.

And that generally speaking God will not interfere.

You see, there are many folks that think God isn’t smart enough to have a plan…and failsafes…to see that his purposes/goals for mankind are met. Those same folks often think they could do better.

Regards,
MG

Yet we have to live through the carnage.

Yes we do.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I’ve yet to see a coherent argument from you, mg. You say abortions are wrong, right? Why?

Abortions happen whether people want them to or not. Only god has the knowledge and powers to prevent them, correct? He could inspire people to not choose an abortion and he could prevent any abortion on your belief. And he could at the very least tell your leaders that there should never be an exception to no abortion. But he does none of that. He supports the concept of abortion, obviously. This world is set up to see billions of abortions. He chose that, supports it and believers say that’s his plan.

It seems you’re lashing out and refusing reason and logic because this teaching of yours is so terrible.

I have yet to receive an adequate response from you, stem.

You keep wanting to bring God into the picture and push the problem onto him or a religious institution. You are ignoring my arguments.

You would prefer to hold God rather than women/men accountable.

Just another day in paradise trying to find reasons why god doesn’t make sense, right?

Your arguments are truly lacking. You almost seem to have no human empathy towards those millions that have lost their lives to this scourge which mislead women/men have condoned and supported for too many years.

Where is your humanity?

Regards,
MG

[dastardly stem]

I’ve yet to see a coherent argument from you, mg. You say abortions are wrong, right? Why?

Abortions happen whether people want them to or not. Only god has the knowledge and powers to prevent them, correct? He could inspire people to not choose an abortion and he could prevent any abortion on your belief. And he could at the very least tell your leaders that there should never be an exception to no abortion. But he does none of that. He supports the concept of abortion, obviously. This world is set up to see billions of abortions. He chose that, supports it and believers say that’s his plan.

It seems you’re lashing out and refusing reason and logic because this teaching of yours is so terrible.

I have yet to receive an adequate response from you, stem.

You keep wanting to bring God into the picture and push the problem onto him or a religious institution. You are ignoring my arguments.

You would prefer to hold God rather than women/men accountable.

Just another day in paradise trying to find reasons why god doesn’t make sense, right?

Your arguments are truly lacking. You almost seem to have no human empathy towards those millions that have lost their lives to this scourge which mislead women/men have condoned and supported for too many years.

Where is your humanity?

Regards,
MG

Lol. Where’s you’re humanity? You hold the unenviable position of abortion, which your god incorporated into his plans, is actually murdering people. I don’t believe that and see no evidence for that. I don’t believe your god exists either.

So what to do? Do you agree god could prevent abortions? If he could, why is it not his responsibility? You seem to think god shouldn’t be held accountable because he wants us to have free choice. That doesn’t make much sense. Do you think god has ever intervened and prevented an abortion? If so, when?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Again, MG is actually pro-choice, and has no issues with women “killing innocent babies” when it falls under his poorly reasoned set of rules. Most pro-forced-birth people are pro-choice.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

You hold the unenviable position of abortion, which your god incorporated into his plans, is actually murdering people. I don’t believe that and see no evidence for that. I don’t believe your god exists either.

In a nutshell we disagree on the value/potential of unborn life while still in the womb.

We also disagree as to the existence of a creator God.

That wraps it up.

Final question. I assume that you’re a dad. Do you have daughters? If so (and if not, let’s speak hypothetically), would you encourage your daughters to get elective abortions if their pregnancy was either unwanted or they were in school or in a career and felt like it just wasn’t the right time to have children? Or they simply talked it over with their significant other, he didn’t want the child, so abortion seemed the easiest thing to do without any consequences?

Personally, I would not want to have missed the birth of any one of our grandchildren. They are each special. I am happy that our daughters and their husbands chose life rather than it’s annihilation.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

The church’s position:

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... t/abortion

Regards,
MG

[Dr Exiled]

The church’s position:

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... t/abortion

Regards,
MG

From the above

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of human life.

... unless it conflicts with its reputation ...

As states work to enact laws related to abortion, Church members may appropriately choose to participate in efforts to protect life and to preserve religious liberty.

So, if the church didn't give you permission, you couldn't protest or participate in political events or vote when it comes to abortion?

[MG 2.0]

You hold the unenviable position of abortion, which your god incorporated into his plans, is actually murdering people. I don’t believe that and see no evidence for that. I don’t believe your god exists either.

In a nutshell we disagree on the value/potential of unborn life while still in the womb.

We also disagree as to the existence of a creator God.

That wraps it up.

Final question. I assume that you’re a dad. Do you have daughters? If so (and if not, let’s speak hypothetically), would you encourage your daughters to get elective abortions if their pregnancy was either unwanted or they were in school or in a career and felt like it just wasn’t the right time to have children? Or they simply talked it over with their significant other, he didn’t want the child, so abortion seemed the easiest thing to do without any consequences?

Personally, I would not want to have missed the birth of any one of our grandchildren. They are each special. I am happy that our daughters and their husbands chose life rather than it’s annihilation.

Regards,
MG

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Care to answer the one final question? I can understand why you may not want to but I’m curious how your current beliefs either do or don’t impact how you would respond in regards to your own daughters or granddaughters and their husbands (I don’t know how old you are although my guess is you’re in the 30-40 year old range).

Older than that if you’re a grandpa.

Regards,
MG