DCP, living in the past.

[Tom]

Proprietor:

Nobody has "advised" me not to participate on the Peterson Obsession Board. I went over there many years ago to defend myself against false accusations. I eventually realized that it was a futile exercise, gaining me nothing but exasperation and costing me considerable time. So I left entirely of my own free will and choice, something on the order of fifteen years ago. Why would I want to participate there? I'm neither insane nor a masochist.

Fifteen years ago? That’s off by a few years. But I don’t fault him for not posting here.

[Doctor Scratch]

The inquiry about the 2nd Watson Letter doesn't seem to have made it into the comments. I recall the Afore saying at some point that any mention of it would result in an automatic banning.

[Doctor Scratch]

The World Table was a hilarious disaster for the Mopologists. Markk is correct that DCP, Pahoran, and other were briefly suspended, but it wasn't necessarily because of anything they said; rather, it was because they were abusing the "ratings" system. They had gotten into a sort of retaliatory "ratings war" with Ray A and perhaps a few other people. It was along the lines of, "Oh yeah? You're gonna give ME a bad rating?? Then I'll give YOU a bad rating, too!" This went on and on until the main apologists had terrible "failing" ratings and the World Table administrative team had to intervene. DCP is wrong (misremembering, perhaps?) when he claims that there was some kind of "army" of posters who showed up to tank his ratings. Most people stayed far away from the World Table because it seemed like a rather creepy scheme of some kind. It was (If I recall correctly) really just him, Pahoran, Ray A and like two or three other people who were engaged in that hostile "ratings" exchange.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

The inquiry about the 2nd Watson Letter doesn't seem to have made it into the comments. I recall the Afore saying at some point that any mention of it would result in an automatic banning.

The Afore never responds when called on the carpet about his numerous lies, libel and bad behavior. Here are just a few examples:


--The Afore publicly stated that he held the 2nd Watson Letter in his hands and read its contents. Since it came to light that the 2nd Watson Letter doesn't exist, the Afore has gone silent.

-- The Afore libeled Egyptologist Robert Ritner by publicly implying John Gee kicked him off his dissertation committee because of unwanted sexual advances. I once challenged the Afore on this, but he went completely silent.

-- The Afore publicly stated that he learned "perfect" German on his mission and that as a result, his accent has been permanently altered. I once asked him about this, but he went completely silent.

-- The Afore publicly supported William Schryver's well documented campaign against MsJack, where Schryver exposed MsJack to verbal sexual abuse and numerous derogatory comments. The Afore stated he had read Schryver's posts to MsJack and "found nothing wrong" with them. I once asked the Afore about this, but he went completely silent.

-- The Afore has hundreds and hundreds of documented instances of plagiarism, but when asked about his plagiarizing, he goes silent.

-- The Afore has publicly stated that I am the one responsible for his harassing, daily emails. When I questioned him about his libel, he went silent.

-- The Afore once publicly stated that Brent Metcalf was involved with the Mark Hoffman forgeries/incident. When asked about this, he went completely silent.

-- The Afore has publicly attacked Blair Hodges, Michael Quinn, Jonathan Neville, Gerald Bradford, David Bokovoy and hundreds of others. When asked about this, the Afore goes completely silent.

-- The Afore once publicly posted lynching photos and joked about them. When asked about this, he goes completely silent.

Whatever you think about the Afore, I know him, and he keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[Markk]

He needs the attention and the feeling of being relevant in LDS apologetics, something he lost and is missing. He is the type of person that needs his ego stroked. Right or wrong, that is my perception.

I used to think so too. But recently I see it more as him just being a very very strident defender of his faith.

DCP isn’t likely to convince anyone here, and we’re definitely not going to convince DCP of anything. I think both sides are better off directing their arguments to the public in general, and let them decide.

There’s a lot of Mormons who are looking for a “good enough” arguments and articles to support their existing religious beliefs. Interpreter provides that service to them. In the same way a flat earth journal could provide rationalization to flat earth believers.

Interpreter really isn’t interesting or convincing to any other audience than believing Mormons. And that’s enough for me.

As I see it, yes and no. Yes as a defender of the faith, as it was framed by the apologetic he led the charge in (FARMS). But in my view, no, in regard to ego and protecting his insecurities.

I can't tell you how many times he has blamed me and others in the past for not knowing the hidden "truths" that we were struggling with. Things like as a young member it was my fault that I did not know that Joseph Smith used a pistol and killed others defending himself at Carthage Jail. After all he knew, so we should know. It was never the church's or the leaderships fault that 99% of the members did not know, but always the fault of those that didn't know because they were lazy learners. There is no humility in his apologetic at all.

The members I talk to, basically chapel Mormon's for the most part, don't know the Interpreter even exists. Sites like "Ask Gramps" would crush the interpreter for member cf. The Interpreter is more or less an underground publication. Heck, its main form of advertisement is probably this site. But I agree with you on it's purpose, but see it with a very limited and obscure audience.

Check this site out. The site claims to have over a million and a half reads. I was given this page/link as a prooftext for the Book of Abraham ,from a TBM friend, not being a funeral text. I pointed out in the comments that the line drawing on the right shows a erect penis. And explained why in regard Osiris, Isis, and Horus. She denied it, took offense to Osiris' Phallus, and edited and removed most my comments, while banning me.

My point is this site gets more attention than the interpreter, if they actually have that many reads.

https://divinecode.page/defense-of-the- ... rary-text/

PS. Don't tell Paul about this site, he have a stroke.

[Markk]

The World Table was a hilarious disaster for the Mopologists. Markk is correct that DCP, Pahoran, and other were briefly suspended, but it wasn't necessarily because of anything they said; rather, it was because they were abusing the "ratings" system. They had gotten into a sort of retaliatory "ratings war" with Ray A and perhaps a few other people. It was along the lines of, "Oh yeah? You're gonna give ME a bad rating?? Then I'll give YOU a bad rating, too!" This went on and on until the main apologists had terrible "failing" ratings and the World Table administrative team had to intervene. DCP is wrong (misremembering, perhaps?) when he claims that there was some kind of "army" of posters who showed up to tank his ratings. Most people stayed far away from the World Table because it seemed like a rather creepy scheme of some kind. It was (If I recall correctly) really just him, Pahoran, Ray A and like two or three other people who were engaged in that hostile "ratings" exchange.

Actually a big part of it was their attack on me and my faith, in my questioning Mormonism and Joseph Smith. And many others there did not like it, and gave them bad ratings also. Randall even reached out to me via a private e-mail exchange and in a round about way apologized for Dan's behavior. I will see if I can find the old G-Mail account I used for that site.

It was much more than a ratings exchange, Russell and Dan were down right nasty. They came into it as if the owned the site and had card blanche to say what ever they wanted to, and Randall and a fellow by the name of Jack, weren't having it. Dan and Russell were destroying their model. Ray was also going at it hard but, there was a lot more to it, and many more folks involved.

I was a good boy and I never rated anyone because I saw like you it was some shady marketing deal for software. But I got hammered by Dan, Russell, and a few others. Lol, I even got points taken away because I used my avatar of Alfred E. Nueman, and not my real pic. I eventually caved, which I regretted, and used my real name and real pic.

[Markk]

The inquiry about the 2nd Watson Letter doesn't seem to have made it into the comments. I recall the Afore saying at some point that any mention of it would result in an automatic banning.

Lol...well, he can't say he did not ban me anymore. He has done this before to me and is just lying saying he hasn't. Which is why I pasted what I wrote here also.

I just checked and this is what he wrote....

Incidentally, you may well want to devote a substantial portion of the Sunday before Christmas to attacking me -- we all have our different modes of worship, I suppose! -- but I choose not to spend it responding to you. So I won't reply today to anything else that you direct at me, and your other attack post from this morning -- which, for some reason, is in the "pending" file -- will remain in the "pending" file until tomorrow, or until I feel like answering it -- whichever comes last.

Merry Christmas!

I guess I could add that he should not have attacked Evangelical Christian anti Mormons on the last Thursday before Christmas, and say Merry Victimas, but I won't.

[Markk]

He needs the attention and the feeling of being relevant in LDS apologetics, something he lost and is missing. He is the type of person that needs his ego stroked. Right or wrong, that is my perception.

Seems like all of us want some attention, you included.

Attention in regard to identity. He lost that. Do you disagree?

[huckelberry]

I used to think so too. But recently I see it more as him just being a very very strident defender of his faith.

DCP isn’t likely to convince anyone here, and we’re definitely not going to convince DCP of anything. I think both sides are better off directing their arguments to the public in general, and let them decide.

There’s a lot of Mormons who are looking for a “good enough” arguments and articles to support their existing religious beliefs. Interpreter provides that service to them. In the same way a flat earth journal could provide rationalization to flat earth believers.

Interpreter really isn’t interesting or convincing to any other audience than believing Mormons. And that’s enough for me.

Check this site out. The site claims to have over a million and a half reads. I was given this page/link as a prooftext for the Book of Abraham ,from a TBM friend, not being a funeral text. I pointed out in the comments that the line drawing on the right shows a erect penis. And explained why in regard Osiris, Isis, and Horus. She denied it, took offense to Osiris' Phallus, and edited and removed most my comments, while banning me.

My point is this site gets more attention than the interpreter, if they actually have that many reads.

https://divinecode.page/defense-of-the- ... rary-text/

PS. Don't tell Paul about this site, he have a stroke.

The material in this site seem to read more as distraction than any specifically clarifying information.
Author is very fond of the Book of Abraham and holds text is lost defense. I am puzzled by phallic picture it looks oddly like late 19th century Art Nouveau with visual tricks and odd combinations. But I do not know Egyptian art and archeology deeply enough to be sure it is not Egyptian.

[drumdude]

I have to admit it’s funny he chose today to make the argument again that the forum is nothing but threads about him.

I count 1 thread directly about him. 2 threads indirectly about him (1 about Interpreter, and 1 about Six Days in August.)

It feels like Dan may soon get his wish, and be free from a board which is obsessed with him.