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http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/568 ... 1209086709

Judea is an English word, and since the Book of Mormon is translated into English, no surprise that English words are found in it.

Judea is not an English word.

[_Buffalo]

Pure bilge. There is no need to "re-inject" Christianity into Mormonism, because Mormonism is Christianity par excellence.

Oh god, what a douche.

[_Buffalo]

The Spirit bears witness to me that they were (and are.)

I think I'll rely upon the spiritual witness I've received, thanks.

Given that Moses was a murderer on the run from the law when he had his first vision, and that he received a number of revelations that "conveniently" shored up his leadership position, and that Abraham practiced polygamy, and that Paul published different versions of his first vision, and that Peter claimed to have received a revelation that contradicted what was revealed to previous prophets, I don't actually see any obvious difference between them and Joseph Smith except that Joseph had a surname.

Regards,
Pahoran

Classic.

[_Drifting]

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/56813-the-city-of-judea/page__view__findpost__p__1209086709

Judea is an English word, and since the Book of Mormon is translated into English, no surprise that English words are found in it.

Judea is not an English word.

Not convinced 'adieu' has Anglo Saxon roots either...

[_Bond James Bond]

An old classic. So much was deleted. :(

"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07

[_Bond James Bond]

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/568 ... 1209086470

Storm rider on how to fall prey to critic arguments:

Seeing angels mean nothing to those who choose to leave. The Book of Mormon is good evidence of that.

What does it mean that even the very elect shall fall? Is this not prophecy? I do not think we should be overly concerned about who leaves; meeting their needs is not our objective because, frankly, I don't think we can do anything to meet their needs. They had long since chosen to leave before the door ever hit them on their way out. They have put their faith in the arm of flesh and abandoned all things spiritual.

In many respects I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Everyone seems to be talking as if no one is left in the Church; the pews are empty and the Church's history is the black hole. Nothing could be further from the truth; first you must take history selectively, ignore all that is glaring good, focus completely on perceived difficulties and then only listen to Satan to lead you quietly down to hell.

[_Buffalo]

An old classic. So much was deleted. :(

"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07

See sig.

[_Darth J]

When asked what the LDS Church could do to bring back apostate, Deborah explains that objective reality it is your own fault if objective reality causes you to stop believing (italics in original):

The problem I have with this question is that it assumes the spirit is not part of the equation. In other words, it's tangibles like the history, that are the crux of a person's testimony which has never been the case. Accepting the gospel and joining the church has always been done by a spiritual confirmation. Usually a person who is firmly founded by a spiritual conversion can get through the things that may appear questionable. I think the things that appear questionable are just that: they appear to be so.

So the answer to the question in the title: Probably nothing except what they've been doing since the restoration and that is getting people to get a personal confirmation from the Holy Spirit that these things are true. If they later decide that they were somehow mislead they have no one to blame but themselves.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/568 ... -the-fold/

[_Darth J]

Stemelbow demonstrates his understanding of cause and effect by noting that disbelief precedes the problems in the Church's truth claims (my underline).

Let's be real, some "apostates" do come back. Most probably do not. And, it seems to me, many apostates leave after tons of efforts to reconcile their disbelief with the teachings and history. In most cases, I don't see any change really being effective, except perhaps denial of most of the Church's teachings.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/568 ... ge__st__20

[_Darth J]

Mfbukowski explains that we can avoid problems about the truth value of a given claim by redefining "truth" so as to fit around one's predetermined beliefs.

It's how I have raised my kids- it IS the "reality" of the situation I think, and they all understand the church that way- so far we are 4 for 4 in temple recommends, both who are married were sealed, and my one daughter just returned from her mission.

It works for me ;)

The key is not worrying about "what is true"- it is having a correct understanding of what "truth" IS. Then all the alleged "problems" go away. http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/568 ... ge__st__20