Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Will Schryver]

I am proud to be referenced with Harmony.

I'm sure you are!

Liars of a feather ...

[_jon]

Will, yes or no - did you say this:

''Harmony is just bitter that the daily circle jerks in the Great and Spacious Trailer Park™ are the closest she has come to a bona fide sexual experience in over 40 years.

I simply cannot understand how her husband has resisted the urge to off himself for so long. Of all the men in human history who have felt compelled, no matter the cost, to “stick it out” with a bitch of a wife – Joseph Smith included – if anyone deserves the reward of 72 virgins in heaven, it’s that poor man.''

[_Dad of a Mormon]

Let's put this in perspective, Will. The evidence of your misogyny based on posts you are known to have written is devastating. An F--. It was a good strategic move on your part to ignore everything else and focus on the one claim that wasn't airtight. But creating doubt on that one issue hardly absolves you from the many misogynistic statements that are beyond dispute by anyone.

[_Will Schryver]

jon:

Will, yes or no - did you say this:

''Harmony is just bitter that the daily circle jerks in the Great and Spacious Trailer Park™ are the closest she has come to a bona fide sexual experience in over 40 years.

I simply cannot understand how her husband has resisted the urge to off himself for so long. Of all the men in human history who have felt compelled, no matter the cost, to “stick it out” with a bitch of a wife – Joseph Smith included – if anyone deserves the reward of 72 virgins in heaven, it’s that poor man.''

LOL!

Yes. Yes, I did write that. Of course, it’s divorced from its context, like everything else has been. In its original context, it’s abundantly clear that it is a tongue-in-cheek (albeit sharply barbed) remark. But, no matter. It’s funny even on its own. A bit rough and cutting? Oh, yes. It was meant to be.

Is it evidence that I am a misogynist?

Not hardly.

Let me illustrate with a little story.

My wife and I are big fans of the Steven Spielberg/Tom Hanks produced miniseries Band of Brothers. In the first episode (“Currahee”) Easy Company is being forced to run up the mountain (“Currahee”) while the other companies get a break from training. As they are running up the hill, the following conversation takes place:

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: I'm gonna say something.

George Luz: To who?

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Lieutenant Winters!

Richard Winters: What is it?

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Permission to speak, sir.

Richard Winters: Granted.

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Sir, we got nine companies, sir.

Richard Winters: We do.

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Well, how come we're the only one marching every Friday night, twelve miles, full pack, in the pitch dark?

Richard Winters: Why do you think, Private Randleman?

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Lieutenant Sobel hates us, sir.

Richard Winters: Lieutenant Sobel does not hate Easy Company, Private Randleman. He just hates you.

And so it is with me. I don’t dislike women. Not at all. I love and honor women and womanhood.

I just don’t like harmony.

Now, were harmony a typical example of what is good and honorable among women, things would be different. But she’s not. She’s a lying apostate shrew who takes every opportunity to denigrate Mormonism, its founder, and its adherents.

At any rate, I am and always have been an "equal opportunity" trash talker. I don't discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, or gender. In fact, I'm quite certain I have directed far more invective, percentage-wise, towards the men here than I ever have the women.

[Guest]

jon:

Will, yes or no - did you say this:

''Harmony is just bitter that the daily circle jerks in the Great and Spacious Trailer Park™ are the closest she has come to a bona fide sexual experience in over 40 years.

I simply cannot understand how her husband has resisted the urge to off himself for so long. Of all the men in human history who have felt compelled, no matter the cost, to “stick it out” with a bitch of a wife – Joseph Smith included – if anyone deserves the reward of 72 virgins in heaven, it’s that poor man.''

LOL!

Yes. Yes, I did write that. Of course, it’s divorced from its context, like everything else has been. In its original context, it’s abundantly clear that it is a tongue-in-cheek (albeit sharply barbed) remark. But, no matter. It’s funny even on its own. A bit rough and cutting? Oh, yes. It was meant to be.

Is it evidence that I am a misogynist?

Not hardly.

Let me illustrate with a little story.

My wife and I are big fans of the Steven Spielberg/Tom Hanks produced miniseries Band of Brothers. In the first episode (“Currahee”) Easy Company is being forced to run up the mountain (“Currahee”) while the other companies get a break from training. As they are running up the hill, the following conversation takes place:

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: I'm gonna say something.

George Luz: To who?

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Lieutenant Winters!

Richard Winters: What is it?

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Permission to speak, sir.

Richard Winters: Granted.

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Sir, we got nine companies, sir.

Richard Winters: We do.

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Well, how come we're the only one marching every Friday night, twelve miles, full pack, in the pitch dark?

Richard Winters: Why do you think, Private Randleman?

Sgt. Denver 'Bull' Randleman: Lieutenant Sobel hates us, sir.

Richard Winters: Lieutenant Sobel does not hate Easy Company, Private Randleman. He just hates you.

And so it is with me. I don’t dislike women. Not at all. I love and honor women and womanhood.

I just don’t like harmony.

Now, were harmony a typical example of what is good and honorable among women, things would be different. But she’s not. She’s a lying apostate shrew who takes every opportunity to denigrate Mormonism, its founder, and its adherents.

At any rate, I am and always have been an "equal opportunity" trash talker. I don't discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, or gender. In fact, I'm quite certain I have directed far more invective, percentage-wise, towards the men here than I ever have the women.

If you don't wish to be branded as a misogynist, don't use misogynist language to attack women you perceive as your enemies. You can attack them without sexualizing them and then degrading them.

You're rather like someone who calls a black man the "n-word" then insists you're not racist - you just don't like that particular n***** (censoring is mine)

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I love and honor women and womanhood.

I just don’t like harmony.

... She’s a lying apostate shrew...

Hello,

As I said, it's not a matter of if, but when...

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_jon]

'(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)'

Will, did you write this? (yes or no)

If yes, did you write it because you like Kimberly or dislike her?

[_Buffalo]

'(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)'

Will, did you write this? (yes or no)

If yes, did you write it because you like Kimberly or dislike her?

I'm not sure how anyone could claim with a straight face that that quote isn't severely misogynist.

[_Will Schryver]

'(Kimberly does remain somewhat famous [among a small circle of otherwise respected academics] on account of my descriptions of her having once squeezed her then more voluptuous spirit tabernacle into a slinky black three-sizes-too-small dress at the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City, which I attended. One wouldn't have believed it possible to carry melons in a pair of thimbles suspended from a thread, but miracles happen almost every day in this jaded world of cynical disbelievers.)'

Will, did you write this? (yes or no)

Before this game goes on much further, I should note that I have never denied writing anything that I did, in fact, write. I do object to the spin placed on things I have said--divorcing the material from its original context and misrepresenting its meaning, etc.

That said, I did write the above paragraph (and I don't care who you are, it's funny -- LOL!). However, I have since concluded that, in all likelihood, the melon-carrying woman I saw at the Exmo Conference was not Kimberly Ann.

If yes, did you write it because you like Kimberly or dislike her?

I actually like Kimberly very much. I consider her an extremely beautiful, talented, and classy woman. I've spoken a little rough with her on this message board in the past (it is, after all, a rough place), but I have since apologized for some of that rough language. Despite our differences when it comes to the question of Mormonism, the fact is that she and I have much more in common than not. I think we have, to a great extent, identified some mutual interests upon which we can maintain a pleasant relationship. That is my desire, at least.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

However, I have since concluded that, in all likelihood, the melon-carrying woman I saw at the Exmo Conference was not Kimberly Ann.

...

Hello,

He's the gift that keeps on giving...

V/R
Dr. Cam