I think Dan Vogel illustrates this compartmentalization. He absolutely cannot admit that there is any supernatural realm, and everything has to stay in that box.
No. That's NOT compartmentalization, charity. I'm going to look for my explanation and embed it into this post.
charity wrote:For all you who are incluiding long passages of Piaget, of course any fully developed theory is complicated, and you can't adequately cover it all in a couple of posts. You can't even cover Piaget in a whole year of course work in college. But you can distill out specific elements for casual discussion. And despite what you want to believe, this is only discussion at the very most shallow level.
But I am glad that you again have demonstrated the ultimate anti-Mormon philosophy--that you are all superiorly enlightened. And those LDS who are intelligent will eventually come to adopt your point of view. Those who don't are just too "brainwashed" to be able to escape the clutches of evil Mormondom.
You don't think that is just a tad bit arrogant?
charity,
As I recall, you yourself referred to Piaget and attempted to make Piagetian theory an intregal part of your OP. It doesn't matter how long it takes to study Piaget or how long it takes to adequately cover it. The truth is that you attempted to cherry pick parts of Piagetian theory and fit it into your thesis (convergent thinking). If you didn't expect people to quote Piaget, I don't know what you did expect.
Who on this thread has demonstrated that they are superiorly enlightened?
I decided not to go back through the thread in order to quote what I stated regarding the boxes of compartmentalization. In your post about Dan Vogel, you say he has no belief in the supernatural and keeps everything in "that box".
That is not compartmentalized thinking, charity. Compartmentalized thinking has more than one box.
Let me make a brief demonstration using a Christian god believer and two boxes.
The God box is where you store religious information, belief and thought.
The Science box is where you store scientific information.
The God box might have:
The Creation story
The Science box might have:
The theory of Evolution
A person who compartmentalizes information would not allow the theory of Evolution to intersect their Creation story. Even though it would seem that one would negate the other, a god believer would keep both and never examine one against the other. The information is stored and accessed separately.
Two boxes and never the twain shall meet.
Were the believer to dump out the contents of the God box (Creation Story) and the Science box (Evolution) and examine one agaisnt the other....they would have..
Cog dissonance
because they would result in conflicting conclusions.
I decided not to go back through the thread in order to quote what I stated regarding the boxes of compartmentalization. In your post about Dan Vogel, you say he has no belief in the supernatural and keeps everything in "that box".
That is not compartmentalized thinking, charity. Compartmentalized thinking has more than one box.
Let me make a brief demonstration using a Christian god believer and two boxes.
The God box is where you store religious information, belief and thought.
The Science box is where you store scientific information.
The God box might have:
The Creation story
The Science box might have:
The theory of Evolution
A person who compartmentalizes information would not allow the theory of Evolution to intersect their Creation story. Even though it would seem that one would negate the other, a god believer would keep both and never examine one against the other. The information is stored and accessed separately.
Two boxes and never the twain shall meet.
Were the believer to dump out the contents of the God box (Creation Story) and the Science box (Evolution) and examine one agaisnt the other....they would have..
Cog dissonance
because they would result in conflicting conclusions.
Good points, as usual, Jersey Girl.
There is an addition which we should keep in mind. The creation stories were constructed many centuries, even thousands of years in the past.
Modern science has been around a very short time (relatively speaking). And modern science relies of information and evidence for its conclusions. Science discovers as a result of skepticism about a past claim for which evidence is absent.
You’re correct that for those who wish to retain contradictory stories, they are required to compartmentalize. And you’re correct in that some people attempt to maintain separation of “boxes.”
I decided not to go back through the thread in order to quote what I stated regarding the boxes of compartmentalization. In your post about Dan Vogel, you say he has no belief in the supernatural and keeps everything in "that box".
That is not compartmentalized thinking, charity. Compartmentalized thinking has more than one box.
Let me make a brief demonstration using a Christian god believer and two boxes.
The God box is where you store religious information, belief and thought.
The Science box is where you store scientific information.
The God box might have:
The Creation story
The Science box might have:
The theory of Evolution
A person who compartmentalizes information would not allow the theory of Evolution to intersect their Creation story. Even though it would seem that one would negate the other, a god believer would keep both and never examine one against the other. The information is stored and accessed separately.
Two boxes and never the twain shall meet.
Were the believer to dump out the contents of the God box (Creation Story) and the Science box (Evolution) and examine one agaisnt the other....they would have..
Cog dissonance
because they would result in conflicting conclusions.
Good points, as usual, Jersey Girl.
There is an addition which we should keep in mind. The creation stories were constructed many centuries, even thousands of years in the past.
Modern science has been around a very short time (relatively speaking). And modern science relies of information and evidence for its conclusions. Science discovers as a result of skepticism about a past claim for which evidence is absent.
You’re correct that for those who wish to retain contradictory stories, they are required to compartmentalize. And you’re correct in that some people attempt to maintain separation of “boxes.”
Why do they do that?
JAK
Well, I had some good teachers, didn't I? ;-) Why do people do it? Fear.