I Knew It Wouldn't Last

[Anonymous]

Sorry GoodK, its hard to get nuance into a discussion board discussion sometimes. My wardrobe responses were mainly not to be taken that seriously...

My other remarks were more directed towards talking about issues of human relations in general, suggestions beyond the ones it seemed this thread had so far been invested in.

What does someone that has met a lot of women sound like, out of curiousity?
What have I said that portrays my inexperience?

I took your response that "most women are like that" (i.e., the Leykinsian gold digger) as an assertion of your experience and thus the "truth" of the gold digger paradigm.

Well, if a women is an accomplished academic, artist, curator, design professional, writer, journalist and architect I don't think they would fit the build of gold digger.
Again, no one said every women on the face of this earth is is a gold digger and is attracted to wealth and status.

Again, it did sound to me like you were saying that, even with the southern california proviso. If I misread, I'm sorry.

But I was simply defending Tom Leykis' advice, because it is good advice. Had I followed it from day one, I would be a lot better off.

Well if his advice is particular to relationships with gold diggers, then are you saying that most of your experience has been with gold diggers?

The majority of women do not fetishize marriage? Well I don't know about the word fetishize, but I stronly disagree with the claim that most women are not concerned with marriage.

Yes, "mainstream" american (for lack a better term) women most certainly do. That wasn't what I was saying, I was only talking about women within the cultural circles I live in. My point simply was that there are other kinds of women out there and many different ways to live one's life than latching on to a mate early and for life...

[_Blixa]

Sorry, I didn't get to the Salman/Padma part of your post:

What conclusions do I draw? She doesn't sound like she's much of a serious writer but someone who wants to use connections to get things done: a "relationship entrepeneur" much like Madonna perhaps?

But what about him? What's his attraction to her do ya think?

I dunno what to tell you GoodK. The sheer possessiveness that seems to be what defines conventional relationships (conventional "love" even) always turned me off. Its not hard to see how anything built on that foundation is an exploitative house of cards from both sides. My advice is to find friends and lovers who eschew the whole sorry mess...

[_GoodK]

Sorry, I didn't get to the Salman/Padma part of your post:
What conclusions do I draw? She doesn't sound like she's much of a serious writer but someone who wants to use connections to get things done: a "relationship entrepeneur" much like Madonna perhaps?

Salman is the serious writer. She was a model If I recall correctly, and hosts the hit show Top Chef, and I believe she has written a book or two. My point is, she is a women who, by normal standards, would be way out of Rushdie's league if Rushdie was just your average cabbie or sheetmetal worker.

But Rushdie wrote the infamous Satanic Verses, achieved fame and wealth, and achieved a hot wife. That is what happens in Southern California most of the time. I imagine it happens in other major cities were rich men live. Old, unattractive men nail beautiful women because they are rich and powerful.

Even Padma, a successful woman on her own, married an old, rich, fat, bald man. She then complained to the press about how much hiring a writer of his caliber would cost.

I read "relationship entrepeneur" as golddigger. Or opportunist. I don't know if that is what you mean, but I don't see much dignity in being a "relationship entrepeneur".

[_Dr. Shades]

Blixa was right, GoodK. You really, really need to lose the hat.

[_GoodK]

Blixa was right, GoodK. You really, really need to lose the hat.

I know, I know... but if I don't take your advice right away Shades, it is only because this blasphemous post from you is fresh in my mind:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... php?t=5626

[_Mister Scratch]

Sorry, I didn't get to the Salman/Padma part of your post:
What conclusions do I draw? She doesn't sound like she's much of a serious writer but someone who wants to use connections to get things done: a "relationship entrepeneur" much like Madonna perhaps?

Salman is the serious writer. She was a model If I recall correctly, and hosts the hit show Top Chef, and I believe she has written a book or two. My point is, she is a women who, by normal standards, would be way out of Rushdie's league if Rushdie was just your average cabbie or sheetmetal worker.

But Rushdie wrote the infamous Satanic Verses, achieved fame and wealth, and achieved a hot wife. That is what happens in Southern California most of the time. I imagine it happens in other major cities were rich men live. Old, unattractive men nail beautiful women because they are rich and powerful.

Even Padma, a successful woman on her own, married an old, rich, fat, bald man. She then complained to the press about how much hiring a writer of his caliber would cost.

I read "relationship entrepeneur" as golddigger. Or opportunist. I don't know if that is what you mean, but I don't see much dignity in being a "relationship entrepeneur".

With all due respect, GoodK, is there really all that much difference, in the end, between "opportunistic" pursuit of beautiful women and sex vs. powerful men and money? Isn't it the whole evolutionary psychology argument all over again?

[_Blixa]

Sorry, I didn't get to the Salman/Padma part of your post:
What conclusions do I draw? She doesn't sound like she's much of a serious writer but someone who wants to use connections to get things done: a "relationship entrepeneur" much like Madonna perhaps?

Salman is the serious writer. She was a model If I recall correctly, and hosts the hit show Top Chef, and I believe she has written a book or two. My point is, she is a women who, by normal standards, would be way out of Rushdie's league if Rushdie was just your average cabbie or sheetmetal worker.

But Rushdie wrote the infamous Satanic Verses, achieved fame and wealth, and achieved a hot wife. That is what happens in Southern California most of the time. I imagine it happens in other major cities were rich men live. Old, unattractive men nail beautiful women because they are rich and powerful.

Even Padma, a successful woman on her own, married an old, rich, fat, bald man. She then complained to the press about how much hiring a writer of his caliber would cost.

I read "relationship entrepeneur" as golddigger. Or opportunist. I don't know if that is what you mean, but I don't see much dignity in being a "relationship entrepeneur".

Okay, look. You're missing something.

I am agreeing with you. Yep. I am. "Relationship entrepeneur" is a gold digger. An opportunist. Something I see no dignity in whatsoever.

And yes, we can find plenty of examples of gold diggers.

So, avoid them. There are other women out there. Other kinds of relationships to be had. Even in Southern California.

That's pretty much my whole point, besides the fact that I find the male side of the equation equally lacking in dignity/absolutely abhorrent.

Sorry I sniped on your hat. Perhaps that led you to think all me responses were attacks. I just wanted to encourage you to not marry young, maybe even not marry at all, and to find female companionship other than the kind you were describing.

[_marg]

Blixa was right, GoodK. You really, really need to lose the hat.

Don't listen to Shades or Blixa on this. Come on...look at Shades taste in music "Wink"? You gotta know there's a problem with his taste, just from that.

Hats do look good, they offer style and they look good on you.

However it might be the girls you are attracted to are trouble. If you think Amy would be a catch I think that's a possibility. I know a girl like AMY. The first time I saw Amy Winehouse, I saw stiking similiarities. She looks similar, acts similar, is a Jewish princess, lots of attitude, drugs, and she sings to boot etc. Any boyfriend she's had, it's been reported experiences a living hell. She's living separate to current boyfriend because the two of them might seriously kill each other if they stay living in the same place.

I'll send you a link in pm's to hear her singing.

[_GoodK]

With all due respect, GoodK, is there really all that much difference, in the end, between "opportunistic" pursuit of beautiful women and sex vs. powerful men and money? Isn't it the whole evolutionary psychology argument all over again?

I don't think there is much of a difference.

I just don't think men should resort to allowing themselves to be used as an "opportunistic pursuit" under the guise of love, romance, or marriage.

[_Dr. Shades]

Sorry I sniped on your hat.

Don't apologize, Blixa. Everything you said about the hat and the lowrider pants was 100% true.

Don't listen to Shades or Blixa on this.

No, listen to myself and Blixa on this.

Come on...look at Shades taste in music "Wink"? You gotta know there's a problem with his taste, just from that.

What the Hell is wrong with Wink?