K. Shirts Caught Plagiarizing on Sciforums

[_Mister Scratch]

So on one side we have Scratch and antishock[number or numbers]. On the other side we have everyone else.

Excellent.

Yes, and this is called argumentum ad populorum. I'm sure you will recall that "everyone" once believed the world was flat.

Well, I guesst he reason you and I now believe the world is round is because of argumentum ad populorum as well. (Or not. Your plagiarism case is faulty for several reasons, as most people here have realized.)

No, the only reasons people have stated are:

1. They like Kerry, and think that he is a lovable doofus who makes mistakes, and that said mistakes should be allowed to slide.
2. The plagiarism occurred on a messageboard, which is informal, and therefore the standards of plagiarism should be more lax.

None of these really addresses whether or not any "plagiarism" actually occurred, however. In fact, a bit of unintentional plagiarism *did* occur, as is supported by my citation of the MLA Handbook. Call it a small matter all you want, LoaP. None of this changes that fact that it was, indeed, "plagiarism."

by the way, LoaP: I'm still waiting for you to supply a source that states that failure to properly cite and punctuate your sources is A-okay.

(edit: The reason you I and believe the world is round is because <drum roll> it *is* round.)

[_LifeOnaPlate]

This is utterly and completely ridiculous. And the relative silence by people like "Dr. Shades" and others is deafening, as well. You're walking around with toilet paper stuck to your shoe and none of your other friends will even clue you in. That is very sad.

[_Mister Scratch]

This is utterly and completely ridiculous. And the relative silence by people like "Dr. Shades" and others is deafening, as well. You're walking around with toilet paper stuck to your shoe and none of your other friends will even clue you in. That is very sad.

Is this the best you can do? An insulting little analogy? (You're not mad again, are you, LoaP?) Don't you have a source to back up your argument? If not, then I guess the only conclusion I can arrive at is that you've gotten your butt kicked yet again.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

This is utterly and completely ridiculous. And the relative silence by people like "Dr. Shades" and others is deafening, as well. You're walking around with toilet paper stuck to your shoe and none of your other friends will even clue you in. That is very sad.

Is this the best you can do? An insulting little analogy? (You're not mad again, are you, LoaP?) Don't you have a source to back up your argument? If not, then I guess the only conclusion I can arrive at is that you've gotten your butt kicked yet again.

Not mad, just losing faith in humanity in general.

[_antishock8]

This is utterly and completely ridiculous. And the relative silence by people like "Dr. Shades" and others is deafening, as well. You're walking around with toilet paper stuck to your shoe and none of your other friends will even clue you in. That is very sad.

Is this the best you can do? An insulting little analogy? (You're not mad again, are you, LoaP?) Don't you have a source to back up your argument? If not, then I guess the only conclusion I can arrive at is that you've gotten your butt kicked yet again.

Not mad, just losing faith in humanity in general.

Well, hopefully your loss of faith isn't misplaced. Mr. Scratch and myself are right on this issue as far as plagiarism goes. Whether or not Mr. Shirts did it on purpose is another matter. You can choose to believe that Mr. Shirts simply didn't know how to click the quote button and that he was "trying to figure out that newfangled web-board-a-ma-bob-thingy", or he simply got caught being a sneaky little weasel.

It's fairly obvious he's a weasel.

[_cksalmon]

Well, hopefully your loss of faith isn't misplaced. Mr. Scratch and myself are right on this issue as far as plagiarism goes. Whether or not Mr. Shirts did it on purpose is another matter. You can choose to believe that Mr. Shirts simply didn't know how to click the quote button and that he was "trying to figure out that newfangled web-board-a-ma-bob-thingy", or he simply got caught being a sneaky little weasel.

It's fairly obvious he's a weasel.

I have no particular affection for Shirts. I don't know the man. He seems generally alright to me. I don't know the man. When I ask him questions via email, he emails me back. I don't know the man. Granted, he comes across as many things on this newfangled Internet of ours, but "weasel" isn't one of them.

Molehill, mountain.

To borrow from Coggs (and this is likely the only time anyone's ever gonna see it), Move along, there really is just nothing to see here.

Chris

[_Gadianton]

An interesting episode. What Kerry did is what JAK does and also what a former mission president of mine did. My former mission president gave a talk once at a fireside which was 100% derived from a couple of Hugh Nibley's books. Nibley was vaguely mentioned at some point. In the talk, he even had gone at lengths to pronounce the foreign words such that at least to us, it sounded like he really knew the languages and had done all this as original research. It was one of the best executed church talks I've ever heard in my life and probably even more impressive than if Hugh had done it himself. I had brought investigators there, the guy was fairly wealthy and very impressed with the talk. He spoke the the MP afterwords and congratulated him on his research and education and the MP just took it all in a stride. I implicitly called my MP on it later, mentioning I hadn't read X book by Hugh Nibley as thoroughly as he did, and he admitted that this book was his favorite Nibley book. So it all kind of turned on the reception as to what degree he was going to cite his work. I'll admit I covered for the MP with my investigator.

What if those debating Kerry had been impressed and noted Kerry's argument as a strong a well though out one? Rather than calling him to the carpet? Would Kerry's response had been so forthcoming? That's something we'll never know. I can guarantee you had someone really called my MP out, he would have said, "OH, my apologies, I didn't mean at all to imply this was my own work, I'm sorry it came across that way!"

[_marg]

An interesting episode. What Kerry did is what JAK does and also what a former mission president of mine did.

From the sounds of it, what Kerry did is what kevin does. That is present or argue the creative ideas of others, don't give credit to those ideas to others and even use exact words. What JAK does is give links to websites which contain information in the area under discussion.

Don't be such a jerk Gad.

[_Mister Scratch]

An interesting episode. What Kerry did is what JAK does and also what a former mission president of mine did.

From the sounds of it, what Kerry did is what kevin does. That is present or argue the creative ideas of others, don't give credit to those ideas to others and even use exact words. What JAK does is give links to websites which contain information in the area under discussion.

Don't be such a jerk Gad.

Marg---

Just out of curiosity, why are you so in love with JAK?

[_Gadianton]

An interesting episode. What Kerry did is what JAK does and also what a former mission president of mine did.

From the sounds of it, what Kerry did is what kevin does. That is present or argue the creative ideas of others, don't give credit to those ideas to others and even use exact words. What JAK does is give links to websites which contain information in the area under discussion.

Don't be such a jerk Gad.

no, what JAK does on many occasions is cut and paste text without citations. My rule with JAK, is that if something he says sounds intelligent, I post haste copy and paste it into Google in order to find the original source. lol.

'nuff said on that, I'd hate to steer Scratch's thread off topic.