The Mormon Gulag

[_Inconceivable]

I dunno. Sounds like a "stand up" organization to me. So you got sent to boot camp. So what?

lol

lol?

If what Good K has attempted to explain is real, or even a portion of it, you are a first class busted ass. If this does not represent an appendage of a religeon of force (satan's plan) then the term is left undefined. God help your children if you have spawned any.

Boot camp does not resemble this abomination in any way shape or form.

[_GoodK]

I dunno. Sounds like a "stand up" organization to me. So you got sent to boot camp. So what?

lol

I'd be more conservative with the "lol" if I were you - it's usually appropriate when something funny is said.

Anyway, why am I not on your foe list yet BC? Is there anything I can do to help? I'd hate for you continue to read my posts, considering how I feel and talk about you. Let me know .

Anyone else notice how the less honorable Mormons like DCP and BCspace seem to be here for damage control. Now that is something to "lol" over.

Will you invite the media to the Scarecrow Festival protest?

I actually don't have much to do with the protest, other than being there to film and helping to advertise it. Another person, Chris Wade, is organizing the protest.

When do you anticipate that your book will hit the bookshelves?

Soon. This board will be one of the first places to hear about it.

When do you anticipate that you will begin shooting your movie?

December, I think. We already, well I already, have a lot of footage.

When to you anticipate that your movie will hit theaters?

Not sure. I committed to another project with the same production company that will and has taken up a lot of time this year. But my goal is and has always been to have it entered in the 2010 film festivals.

I'm sure a place like this "helps" a few kids here and there on a very hit and miss basis.

Honestly Gad, I know hundreds of kids from that place. My closest friends are from there. I don't know one person that benefited or would have anything positive to say about their experiences. On the contrary, most kids I know spiral even more out of control once they leave.

I have a question or two that may or may not be relevant here.

Would it be at all helpful or wise for GoodK to file child abuse charges against the facility?

We are looking into what our legal options here might be.

[_Jersey Girl]

Check your PM's, GoodK.

[_Jersey Girl]

I dunno. Sounds like a "stand up" organization to me. So you got sent to boot camp. So what?

lol

Just shut up, BC. Your comments aren't useful on any level.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Anyone else notice how the less honorable Mormons like DCP and BCspace seem to be here for damage control. Now that is something to "lol" over.

Anyone notice how I was just brought up again?

I feel absolutely no obligation to defend this organization, of which I know nothing. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not "damaged" by it in any way.

Nor is FARMS. Gad's heroic Scartcholeptic exertions notwithstanding, this story has utterly nothing to do with FARMS.

And it has precious little to do with Mormonism, as such, either.

[_GoodK]

Anyone notice how I was just brought up again?

Again. The first time you brought yourself up.

I feel absolutely no obligation to defend this organization, of which I know nothing.

No one is asking you to. I never expected you to.

I also never expected you to come here and try and cast shadows of doubt.

I actually expected Mormons and non-Mormons alike to agree on this issue. I'm sure you don't want your church to be associated with such an abusive gulag anymore than my Mormon friends do.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Again. The first time you brought yourself up.

I made my point.

You invited me to bow out.

I did.

You brought me up again. To insult me. To pronounce me dishonorable.

Why?

I feel absolutely no obligation to defend this organization, of which I know nothing.

No one is asking you to. I never expected you to.

I also never expected you to come here and try and cast shadows of doubt.

I try never to judge any matter at all after hearing only one side of it.

I'm weird that way.

You have my profound apologies, but I'm unlikely to change in that regard.

I actually expected Mormons and non-Mormons alike to agree on this issue. I'm sure you don't want your church to be associated with such an abusive gulag anymore than my Mormon friends do.

If it's really an abusive "gulag," I hope that appropriate action will be taken to deal with the situation and with those who created it.

If it isn't, I trust that the truth will come out.

[_marg]

I feel absolutely no obligation to defend this organization, of which I know nothing. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not "damaged" by it in any way.

I don't think you can assume at this point that this organization has nothing to do with Mormonism. The people working in it and running it are Mormons. They are forcing their religious beliefs onto the boys that go there. The families that send their kids do so often because they think it is associated with their church. The teens that end up there may only be rebelling at home against the ludicrous teachings of the Mormon church being forced upon them. The teens may very well be the sane ones rebelling against their parents who may be the ones who are psychologically impaired as a result of their excessive adherence to the strict yet ridiculous rules and frankly "nutty" beliefs the church teaches.

[_Jersey Girl]

marg

The teens may very well be the sane ones rebelling against their parents who may be the ones who are psychologically impaired as a result of their excessive adherence to the strict yet ridiculous rules and frankly "nutty" beliefs the church teaches.

I haven't waded through the two websites (GoodK's and the Ranch) but my initial concern is about what criteria is used for intake and that the needs of the children aren't being addressed.

For example: Are there pre-existing medical conditions that are going untreated and are children being admitted based on behavior without determining cause.

[_Jersey Girl]

I know that I need to examine the websites further, however, on the surface it seems that discipline/punishment and restrictive environment is a large piece of this program.

Is there a piece wherein, youth are given the opportunity to take part in community service either interacting with people in the community or restoring the natural environment?

I think Td will know where I'm coming from with that. It has to do with personal investment.