From My Informant: DCP & Schryver Ordered to Stand Down

[_Yoda]

He asked for the financials of an organization which DCP is most likely neither authorized to produce, nor has the ability to produce.

In other words, it is a completely different situation, with much different implications. You're right. It was a poor comparison on your part.

I have to agree with my crush, Kish, on this one, Simon.

However, this comparison would be appropriate:

"Scratch--How about you publish your employer's financial data, and then we'll talk about DCP publishing BYU's?"

Now, let me clarify that this is merely an EXAMPLE. I am, by no means, really asking Scratch to do this. Nor would I expect DCP to publish his employer's budget on MDB.

ALL posters here have a right to their privacy.

I'm sure, however, that you can agree that this would be a fair comparison. ;-)

[_harmony]

I can tell you from a very reliable informant of mine that at least as far as Dan Peterson is concerned the claim he was told to get off message boards is false.

I have no information about Will Schryver. However given the fact that the claim about Peterson is false I suspect it is false about Will as well.

I agree. The notion that the Brethren care about what Dan and Will are posting on message boards is laughable.

Unless there have been complaints from people who know people in high places. The squeaky wheel tends to get the attention.

[_Themis]

I can tell you from a very reliable informant of mine that at least as far as Dan Peterson is concerned the claim he was told to get off message boards is false.

I have no information about Will Schryver. However given the fact that the claim about Peterson is false I suspect it is false about Will as well.

I agree. The notion that the Brethren care about what Dan and Will are posting on message boards is laughable.

I agree, and I think Scratch knows as well, but I think he does this for other reasons including entertainment and annoyance of would be apologists, because he can make it look possible.

[_Themis]

Hi Doctor Scratch,

First, I feel certain the Brethren (at least some of them) have wanted apologists to take a less mean-spirited approach for some time. (Didn't we see a few talks about this)? It is obvious this sort of apologetic tactic is harming the church... members lurk on the MAD board and see a seriously poor example of desperate, dishonest nastiness and their questions turn into doubt, then disbelief. I'm pretty sure the MAD board has created more disbelievers than all the anti sites combined.

I think some of the leaders do keep a watch or at least know some of what goes on at MAdb, farms, MDB, etc. It would bein their interest to try and figure out why there has been an increase in active members leaving and less tithing coming in from active members. I wouldn't doubt they may see this mean spirited apologetics as harmful, but may miss the real harm, which comes from nice apologetics. The worst kind of apologetics comes from honest apologetics, because it reveals more of the facts confirming that those supposed anti Mormon lies are actually true, and the best answers don't cut it.

A few LDS members got a kick out of it but the attempt at making the Book of Abraham fiasco go away didn't really work.

The Book of Abraham is the most damaging issue for the church, other then maybe polygamy, so I think they may be desperate enough to give Will their attention in hopes he can help them out. What he has done is create a little diversion that may fool a few people into thinking there really is no problem.

[_Nomad]

Hello Dr. Scratch,

This makes sense. I now understand why Mr. Schyrver is posting under the sockpuppet of "Nomad" and continues to disavow that he is, indeed, "Nomad".

The games never cease with these particular Mormons...

V/R
Dr. Cam

It is a real challenge to single out any one person, but I dare say you may be the dumbest exmormon on this message board.

But if you have evidence that Nomad = William Schryver, I encourage you to produce it. I will actually be visiting (for Thanksgiving) my in-laws who live near him (Enterprise, Utah) and I hope he and I can get together and share a laugh or two about you idiots.

As for Doctor Scratch's information, I don't know where or how he came across it, but for once in my years of watching his pathetic career, I can confirm that he is more or less correct, at least as far as it refers to Schryver. I don't know about Peterson's situation.

Not that Scratch or anyone else here has a clue as to the reasons for the "gag order". From what I've been able to learn about the situation, the main idea was to keep Schryver from wasting his precious time and inadvertantly revealing anything to help the "enemy" until he is finished with his research and publications. Not that I know any of the details. I don't. But that's how it was explained to me.

I've never heard anyone suggest that Schryver was "doing damage to the cause" by his message board posting. People I've spoken with who know about his message board posting seem to regard him as head and shoulders above his opponents and have made particular mention of how pleased they are that someone finally came along who exposed Brent Metcalf as the fraud he is.

But you folks can go on living in your dream world as long as you'd like. You do it so well.

[_Nomad]

Would the likes of Wil be discouraged from coming on messageboards because he is not holding his own very on the Book of Abraham in his debates with Chris Smith and Mortal Man? If Chris and Mortalman makes mincemeat of Wil's arguments about the KEP and the length of the scroll that may create doubts in the minds of the TBMs that lurk there.

Now this is funny!

Only in the MDB Wonderland can things get turned so completely upside down.

[_Nomad]

The Book of Abraham is the most damaging issue for the church, other then maybe polygamy, so I think they may be desperate enough to give Will their attention in hopes he can help them out. What he has done is create a little diversion that may fool a few people into thinking there really is no problem.

Fantasies galore on this thread!

No, Themis, what Schryver did was completely blow up the myth that there was a controversy about the Book of Abraham in the first place, and from I have learned so far, he hasn't just "fooled a few people" but has instead convinced lots of folks, including me and a number of people (that I know about) in the COB. They might not know what to make of his iconoclastic appearance (long hair and whatnot), but he can pretty much get permission to see anything in the archives he wants at this point on account of what he has done and the trust and confidence they have in him. Plus, he has connections and relationships that very few people know about. I know he has mentioned before that he was not born with the name of "Schryver". He was adopted as in infant and never knew of or met his father until he was an adult. It's a very interesting story that I'm sure will come out some day.

[_Doctor Scratch]

I can tell you from a very reliable informant of mine that at least as far as Dan Peterson is concerned the claim he was told to get off message boards is false.

Presumably it was DCP himself who told you this. And yet, oddly, the fact that he has to do this behind the scenes and in secret only serves to reinforce the validity of my informant's "intel."

[_The Nehor]

I can tell you from a very reliable informant of mine that at least as far as Dan Peterson is concerned the claim he was told to get off message boards is false.

Presumably it was DCP himself who told you this. And yet, oddly, the fact that he has to do this behind the scenes and in secret only serves to reinforce the validity of my informant's "intel."

Sorry, no. Secondhand information with a name Trump's secondhand information from an unnamed 'informant'. Your need to hide only serves to reinforce how invalid and made-up your 'intel' is.

[_Simon Belmont]

Presumably it was DCP himself who told you this. And yet, oddly, the fact that he has to do this behind the scenes and in secret only serves to reinforce the validity of my informant's "intel."

Still waiting for you to post either your personal, or your employer's financial records, since you think it would be "so easy" for Dr. Peterson to do so.

I imagine you will do no such thing, since your raison d'être is to apply highly unfair double standards to people you imagine to be your enemies. By doing this, you can seem to win every argument.