SGW - Was it worth it?

[Jersey Girl]

You guys could follow MAD's example and keep all controversial pictures and ideas off the forum.

On the other hand, I have posted many pictures and graphics and I wish to issue an apology lest any particular person or group of people think I maligned them or their relatives with pictures of Tapirs. Any resemblance to persons living or dead was purely coincidental and covered under fair use doctrine. Further, any less-than-suggestive reference to blue silk teddies was made as an overture of admiration to a particular Fraulein with a fiery temper.

[_3sheets2thewind]

Hello Mr. Stak,

If we can have Ms. Moniker banned (and I still don't really know why she was banned), then we can ban some dude who is an idiot who got the board shut down.

for cereal.

V/R
Dr. Cam

I agree, IP ban or MAC address ban.

Also, big corps, will settle a lawsuit, and at the same time ban the plaintiff for life from the corps stores.

[_asbestosman]

You might as well close up shop at that point. Messageboards thrive off gifs/jpgs, and it still would not prohibit false DMCAs from being dropped.

ASCII art for the win:

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Note to Shades: I figure this one is okay since it is a photo taken by KA. She actually suggested I use it as my avatar, so I don't think she'll claim copyright infringement.

[_harmony]

Harmony,

I think one of the best threads ever on this board was the picture thread.

Do you mean the drawing thread?

I agree; people can be insulted in any medium.

[_ludwigm]

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...characters...

Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember the world of the room-sized computers (IBM 360 and its eastern copies). There were lineprinters which printed one line of 80 chars once. No graphic, no chars outside of ASCII. The better ones provided the possibility of overprinting. The most black area was "XOo$" printed on each other.

I have a monochrome Einstein portrait, 80x96 pixel. The paper is near as grey as the printing on it. The characters used are the letters of the name.

[_Kishkumen]

And some use them as weapons. So what? What do you suggest we do about them? Obviously expecting people to maintain enough maturity to host a debate like the Book of Abraham or the Jockers' study isn't working.

Freedom and security. The lines obviously need to be drawn differently here in order to avoid trouble. I don't happen to be one of those people who take the position that disallowing the posting of pictures is the answer. I would prefer that banning be put on the table as an optional response for people who represent a threat to the continuation of the board for everyone else. Obviously, the powers that be would get to determine the fate of the person who appears to be dangerous to the board.

What we are talking about is different kinds of freedom. I don't think taking away image linking is by any means the indisputably superior choice here.

You implied you agreed with stak, that people who don't use pictures have nothing to contribute to the health of the board, and if those picture-posting people can't post pictures, then they'll leave. And since I don't post with pictures, I leapt to what seemed logical... that my 15,000 pictureless posts contributed nothing to this community or any discussion.

Hey, if you want to fly off the handle when I don't agree with you, that's your problem. As has been pointed out by someone else, your suggestion that I don't care about words is laughable in the extreme.

And you are volunteering to head this task force, yes?

I would be happy to do my part in finding a solution, smart ass.

Obviously not you.

Yeah, you see, after having my Sunstone presentation misrepresented by Will Schryver to the people at FAIR and my friends and lurkers here, and after having Simon Belmont post negative reviews of my teaching here, I think I can handle having the brown shirt brigade at MDD laugh at us because one of their number is a huge idiot and asshole. When the pathetic laugh at you, it is a positive compliment.

I'm sure that's a comfort to anyone who has ever been the target of a sue-happy fool and his frivolous lawsuit filing lawyer.

So, instead of getting pissed off at me, maybe we should have a constructive discussion about the problem at hand. Unless, of course, you prefer spewing venom at someone who has been nothing but an ardent supporter of this forum.

See Rule #7. It's already in place. Obviously it didn't work.

It has already been pointed out, I believe, that rule #7 did not apply in this case, which is precisely why people were having a field day with this guy's pathetic life.

[_Buffalo]

Apparently I missed a lot over the weekend. I'm kind of glad.

[_harmony]

Freedom and security. The lines obviously need to be drawn differently here in order to avoid trouble. I don't happen to be one of those people who take the position that disallowing the posting of pictures is the answer. I would prefer that banning be put on the table as an optional response for people who represent a threat to the continuation of the board for everyone else. Obviously, the powers that be would get to determine the fate of the person who appears to be dangerous to the board.

Pathetic Guy wasn't a member of this board at the time of the recent debacle. So who would you say should have been banned?

What we are talking about is different kinds of freedom. I don't think taking away image linking is by any means the indisputably superior choice here.

Neither am I. Right now, though, without a huge overhaul of the rules and/or getting a new host, it's the quickest route to no further shut downs. The problem is, as I see it, isn't the pictures... the problem is that now we exist with a cloud hovering over us, which very likely will muzzle candid and open discussions.

Hey, if you want to fly off the handle when I don't agree with you, that's your problem. As has been pointed out by someone else, your suggestion that I don't care about words is laughable in the extreme.

Don't act like you were the lone target of my comments. Stak said we were going to bleed to death if we didn't have pictures; you agreed with him. I pointed out that some of us never use pictures, yet have contributed thousands of posts, some of which may have actually been worthwhile. I was snarky; you chose to get snippy. Own it; it is what it is.

And you are volunteering to head this task force, yes?

I would be happy to do my part in finding a solution, smart ass.

And I never called you names. Even when you deserve it.

When the pathetic laugh at you, it is a positive compliment.

Well, I can agree with you. Hadn't thought about it in quite that light. Thanks. So should I be upset that you were laughing at me?

I'm sure that's a comfort to anyone who has ever been the target of a sue-happy fool and his frivolous lawsuit filing lawyer.

So, instead of getting pissed off at me, maybe we should have a constructive discussion about the problem at hand. Unless, of course, you prefer spewing venom at someone who has been nothing but an ardent supporter of this forum.

Venom? Kish, does this really qualifies as venom in your world? Are you somehow exempt from ever taking flak about something you say? Gee... I'm so sorry. I'll try to perfect my egg-shell walking.

Where's the constructive discussion? Oh yeah... no family pictures.

See Rule #7. It's already in place. Obviously it didn't work.

It has already been pointed out, I believe, that rule #7 did not apply in this case, which is precisely why people were having a field day with this guy's pathetic life.

It may not make add to my popularity here to point this out, but the pathetic guy shut down this board. Hopefully Shades works out a solution, before all the other pathetic people we make fun of on a regular basis figure out how to follow Pathetic Guy's lead.

[_jskains]

Won't it be nice to actually follow the title of the board and have Mormon Discussions rather than Mormon Character Assassinations?

Very rarely do any of these discussions remain so. They all seem to dive into namecalling, insults, etc. etc. Why is this necessary? I think Shades begs for these types of events when he allows the bullies of this board do their dirty work all in the name of "freedom".

It has nothing to do with "less stable" people. Anyone who has their family photos, past posts, etc. all pulled into a forum, used for mockery, and/or has the meanings twisted will panic.

However.... If you had a discussion on pornography, and someone came in all high and mighty about how evil it is, and all the while they are posting publicly accessible erotic texts or photos........ Then that kinda is a bit of YDI.

JMS

[_truth dancer]

Josh,

The cool thing about this board, (aside from the amazing posters... smile), is that it can be tailor made to your specifications.

If you want a nice and tidy discussion go to the Celestial forum. There are plenty of great discussions there. Really...

If you enjoy more of an open discussion that may get heated at times, or may be a little more cutting, with possible bickering, then the Terrestrial forum is for you.

If you don't like certain posters or want to eliminate some nastiness, you can put these folk on ignore.

See... you can interact with whomever you choose and have a discussion that fits your personality or needs.

It is GREAT!

The thing is, most of us who have been here for a while, take the good and the bad, get over the insults, work with our human-ness, tolerate our less than perfect members, (smile), and enjoy the banter, discussion, teasing, and playfulness.

OK.. so instead of criticizing, why not go and create the board so it fits your purpose! How does that sound?

~td~