BYU Professor comes out as gay

[_LDSToronto]

What kind of gibberish is this? Within a gospel context, it's only healthy to come to grips with one's sexual identity at a superficial level? I suppose that matches my experience of LDS culture; I'd hardly classify it as a healthy attitude.

If you have anything of intellectual substance to add to this discussion, please feel free to do so, at any time.

There's the pot calling the kettle black....

]Wha...!?! Which part of LDS doctrine dictates the terms homosexual, lesbian, and gay are adjectives, not nouns? Did I miss the Strunk and White sections of the Doctrine and Covenants?

As your thinking cap is apparently in the closet today, I'll spell the obvious out to you. An adjective qualifies a noun or pronoun by identifying or describing it. Hence, one may say that "John engages in homosexual behavior" or "Marsha is involved in a lesbian relationship." One can also say "John is a homosexual" and "Marsha is a lesbian."

What, from an LDS perspective, should never be done, is to use the term "homosexual," "Gay," or "lesbian" as nouns; as terms denoting a state of being, in the sense that "John is Gay" comes to mean, not that John engages in homosexual behavior, but that homosexuality is ontologically, organismically intrinsic to John.

Dopey, I wasn't looking for grammar lesson. Oaks' claim was that it is doctrinally incorrect to use words such as, "gay", "lesbian", "homosexual", and I'll add, "straight" and "heterosexual" as noun. I would like to know where this doctrine is stated.

And, if that is the case, I'd propose an addendum doctrine - that the words prophet, seer, and revelator are also adjectives that describe particular thoughts, feelings, or behaviours, and we should refrain from using these words to identify particular conditions or specific persons.

"Prophet, seer, and revelator" is an office within the Priesthood. It no more connotes an inherent state of being, in an deterministic, intrinsic sense, as does being a plumber. The mantel, rights, privileges, and powers attendant to any office in the Priesthood are vouchsafed, not inherent and deterministically entrenched in the person. Otherwise, the very idea that one's priesthood authority was conditioned by one's worthiness would have no meaning.

Exactly - in other words, they are adjectives describing particular thoughts, feelings, or behaviours. Just like I said. Thanks for supporting the cause.

Your knowledge of LDS doctrine seems extremely light, Toronto, and no wonder that ignorance can breed contempt.

Well, at least I'm not making it up as you and Dallin seem to be doing...

isn't Wilcox using the word 'gay' in a doctrinally correct way?

"Gay" is a statement of self identity, not a behavioral syndrome (which is what homosexuality is). "Gay" involves much more than homosexual behavior, and carries connotations of a culture, way of life, and sense of core self concept.

Homosexuality is, as Oaks correctly states, a body of "particular thoughts, feelings, or behaviors." "Gay" is a designation of core self identity; an assertion that the thoughts, and feelings attendant to SSA are primary and intrinsic.

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Is heterosexuality a behavioural syndrome, while "straight" is a designation of core self identity; an assertion that the thoughts, and feelings attendant to OSA (opposite sex attraction) are primary and intrinsic?

H.

[_Buffalo]

Jason,

When I told Mormon bishops that my roommates were banging all sorts of young Mormon girls and women, they said: "You're DELUSIONAL....Mormon girls and women would NEVER DO what you are saying they do!"

FACT: they were banging all sorts of young Mormon women and girls.

When I told everybody I could that Mark Hofmann was forging documents and would "spill innocent blood" I was told by Mormon bishops and institute teachers and others: "You're DELUSTIONAL....the brethren CANNOT BE FOOLED!"

FACT: they WERE fooled, over and over again for five years, and Mark Hofmann DID spill innocent blood

Jason, you're just a TYPICAL "Mormon bishop"; a self-righteous CLOWN. A BOZO. A self-righteous "FOOL".

FACT: this gay man at BYU is NOT celebate, never was, and this will be revealed in the years to come.

Shut the “F” up, asshole.

Yes, I went there. :)

[_Buffalo]

The many highly ritualized and content specific sexual fetishes and practices that exist would appear to be prima facie evidence that human sexuality, whatever its fundamental "set point" in the womb and in infancy, is fairly plastic and liable, under the pressure of our own psychological/family/environmental dynamics, to substantial molding in various directions, of which homosexuality is only one.

I can see how, as a gay man longing to be straight, you might wish this to be so. The fact is, it isn't. There IS a biological basis for homosexuality full stop, and there are physical differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

[_Joseph]

God created man in his own image... is god gay? Or, is one or more of the many gods gay? Maybe one or many of the endless polygamous wives in eternity is gay - a way to pass the time inbetween the union and waiting to pop out more spirit children for eternity???

[_Yoda]

There IS a biological basis for homosexuality full stop, and there are physical differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

Are you referring to physical differences in brain chemistry, and, if so, which study are you referring to?

This is not a CFR, I'm just interested.

[_Buffalo]

There IS a biological basis for homosexuality full stop, and there are physical differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals.

Are you referring to physical differences in brain chemistry, and, if so, which study are you referring to?

This is not a CFR, I'm just interested.

http://mormonstories.org/?p=1158

Dr. Bradshaw discusses physical (not just chemical) differences in brains, finger lengths, and other parts.

[_Yoda]

http://mormonstories.org/?p=1158

Dr. Bradshaw discusses physical (not just chemical) differences in brains, finger lengths, and other parts.

Interesting stuff, Buffalo! Thanks! :-)

[_Buffalo]

http://mormonstories.org/?p=1158

Dr. Bradshaw discusses physical (not just chemical) differences in brains, finger lengths, and other parts.

Interesting stuff, Buffalo! Thanks! :-)

Sure! I seem to remember reading somewhere that gay men also have bigger penises due to the increased androgen in the womb. If so that might go some way toward explaining a lot about right wing insecurity. ;)

[_Yoda]

Sure! I seem to remember reading somewhere that gay men also have bigger penises due to the increased androgen in the womb. If so that might go some way toward explaining a lot about right wing insecurity. ;)

ROTFLMAO!!!

*wicked thought* If this is true and gay men could be "converted".....

[_Quasimodo]

Sure! I seem to remember reading somewhere that gay men also have bigger penises due to the increased androgen in the womb. If so that might go some way toward explaining a lot about right wing insecurity. ;)

Finally, physical proof that I am not gay. If large penis size is an indicator of homosexuality, I'm very manly. :)