Droopy wrote: She's a standard contemporary public school educated drone created by the NEA, the Department of Edcuation, and the public school educracy and its minions among the leftist 501c3s and foundations.
What she needs is an education, and what we need is the abolishment of the Dept. of Education, the utter destruction of the NEA and AFT through school choice, teacher competency assessment in the subjects they teach, the opening of public school teaching to non-"certified" teachers, the abolishment of the tenure system, and an end to grade inflation and social promotion,
What the f*** does any of this have to do with a claimed violation of the Establishment Clause by favoring prayers by one denomination over others?
Nothing but that hasn't stopped Boy Obfuscation.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
I find it sillier than a silly salamander that was drinking a can of silly that slipped and spilled the silly into the silly machine that exploded in a silly shaped cloud of silly to invoke the US constitution as though it was the ultimate in defining liberty.
Droopy, the document defines and codifies slavery. It defines a black person as less than a whole person. It either authorized or failed to prevent the the rise of the current govt we have now (to paraphrase someone whom I don't recall). Why invoke the founders at all? They don't define liberty.
Which considers the LDS Church to be a cult, which is a huge part of the background to that case where the ACLU is representing that Mormon girl.
Yeah, Droopy is right. She should just take it like a man.
It is odd, isn't it?
Droopy's reaction to this situation - he sneers at a Mormon girl for objecting to public and hard-to-avoid mainstream Protestant prayers at a school event funded by her parent's tax dollars - seems to suggest that his allegiance to a certain strand in the US political right can Trump his religious sensibilities.
That's up to him, of course. But it seems worth while pointing out.
I really would like to know, too, if this girl would be sneered at by Droopy if she objected to the organization in her school of collective religious activity by a religion other than Protestant Christianity. Should the girl still zip it if a Muslim school principal asked the imam from his mosque to lead prayers before a school game? If not, why not?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Droopy's view of the Constitution, and the First Amendment specifically, seems somewhat ironic to me.
If the consensus is right, and I believe American history bears it out, the strict separation of Church and State actually led to a kind of deregulation (and we know how Droopy loves that sort of thing) of religions generally and allowed, even the weird ones, to sprout like mushrooms as the Second Great Awakening sparked and then burned its way through, for just one example, upper state New York.
Actually, Droopy, and the members of the church to which he fervently clings, ought to sing the praises of disestablishment and be grateful for the complete separation of religion from the state. Perhaps the Mormon church may not have been able to take root at all without such 'Constitutional assistance' in the first place.
Just a thought.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be
November 14, 2009 | ISSUE 46•26 ISSUE 45•46
ESCONDIDO, CA—Spurred by an administration he believes to be guilty of numerous transgressions, self-described American patriot Kyle Mortensen, 47, is a vehement defender of ideas he seems to think are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and principles that brave men have fought and died for solely in his head.
"Our very way of life is under siege," said Mortensen, whose understanding of the Constitution derives not from a close reading of the document but from talk-show pundits, books by television personalities, and the limitless expanse of his own colorful imagination. "It's time for true Americans to stand up and protect the values that make us who we are."
According to Mortensen—an otherwise mild-mannered husband, father, and small-business owner—the most serious threat to his fanciful version of the 222-year-old Constitution is the attempt by far-left "traitors" to strip it of its religious foundation.
"Right there in the preamble, the authors make their priorities clear: 'one nation under God,'" said Mortensen, attributing to the Constitution a line from the Pledge of Allegiance, which itself did not include any reference to a deity until 1954. "Well, there's a reason they put that right at the top."
"Men like Madison and Jefferson were moved by the ideals of Christianity, and wanted the United States to reflect those values as a Christian nation," continued Mortensen, referring to the "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, considered by many historians to be an atheist, and Thomas Jefferson, an Enlightenment-era thinker who rejected the divinity of Christ and was in France at the time the document was written. "The words on the page speak for themselves."
According to sources who have read the nation's charter, the U.S. Constitution and its 27 amendments do not contain the word "God" or "Christ."
Mortensen said his admiration for the loose assemblage of vague half-notions he calls the Constitution has only grown over time. He believes that each detail he has pulled from thin air—from prohibitions on sodomy and flag-burning, to mandatory crackdowns on immigrants, to the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes—has contributed to making it the best framework for governance "since the Ten Commandments."
"And let's not forget that when the Constitution was ratified it brought freedom to every single American," Mortensen said.
Mortensen's passion for safeguarding the elaborate fantasy world in which his conception of the Constitution resides is greatly respected by his likeminded friends and relatives, many of whom have been known to repeat his unfounded assertions verbatim when angered. Still, some friends and family members remain critical.
"Dad's great, but listening to all that talk radio has put some weird ideas into his head," said daughter Samantha, a freshman at Reed College in Portland, OR. "He believes the Constitution allows the government to torture people and ban gay marriage, yet he doesn't even know that it guarantees universal health care."
Mortensen told reporters that he'll fight until the bitter end for what he roughly supposes the Constitution to be. He acknowledged, however, that it might already be too late to win the battle.
"The freedoms our Founding Fathers spilled their blood for are vanishing before our eyes," Mortensen said. "In under a year, a fascist, socialist regime has turned a proud democracy into a totalitarian state that will soon control every facet of American life."
"Don't just take my word for it," Mortensen added. "Try reading a newspaper or watching the news sometime."