ScienceWhopper:Natural History According to Jeffrey Holland

[_keithb]

DrW,

Is that your best shot? How lame. I would think on a science thread one would actually post data or a theory and then try and defend it. Of the two of us I am the only one doing that. Your name calling and rule setting does not bring anything of value to the thread. So you should sit back and enjoy the conversation that takes place.

You may bully some but not me.

I remember that you tried this same erosion on several threads over at MAD and had no less than thesometimessaint, calmoriah, and several other of the science TBMs shoot the hell out of your arguments. They did a much better job than I want to do (being the both busy and somewhat lazy soul that I am) and I suggest that you search their replies to your ideas to see where they pointed out that you were wrong. I would do this for you, but I have been banned from that board (and I don't feel like making another sock puppet at the moment).

Also, I would like to repeat the challenge that I made to you on the other board: if your ideas/data/arguments are really THAT GOOD, why don't you submit them for publication in a scientific journal?

See, the poster on this board that accept science really don't have to disprove your off-the-cuff-back-of-napkin calculations and theories. We have science texts books, loads of journal articles, and the entire scientific community standing behind us. If you have something to add to the conversation, why not take it up with them instead? I am sure that the peer reviewers at any geology journal would LOVE to give you some constructive feedback on your ideas. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if your ideas had already been thoroughly addressed in one of the thousands of journal articles published on the subject. You should do an EBSCO or even a Google Scholar search to check out the current research on this topic.

So, in summary, you should put up (i.e. submit your ideas for a journal article) or else be quiet.

Welcome again to the board.

[_Tarski]

Thanks for the reply. This site seems pretty open to me. But I do step on some toes sometimes. It may appear that I am pretty closed minded but I am not. I have been placed on this path and have changed dramatically over the past few years. I am sure more change is coming. My world view changed one day when I realized that the reality I thought I lived in was vapor. I came to this conclusion not from scripture but from quantum mechanics. Only after that did I search outside of science for answers. Quite the ride.

Oh brother. First Kuhn and now quantum mechanics. Both seem to justify any claptrap in the superstitious mind.
I am not sure which is worse.

My guess is that your understanding of quantum mechanics is even worse than your understanding of Kuhn. In fact, I predict your understanding of the former is nearly nonexistent.

Why is it that my understanding of quantum mechanics doesn't lead me to believe in unicorns and what not? What did I miss?

[_Franktalk]

Sock Puppet,

In my view of reality the physical universe is a part of a much larger reality. Going back in time science was a study of God's creation but recently it has turned into a Godless analysis of the universe. And as defined it does just fine. But many in science treat science as unbounded. I think billions of people on the planet have faith in something that science says does not exist. Obviously the idea or the reality of a spiritual existence has merit for many. But for science to claim that it supplies answers for everything of any importance is wrong. Actually science does not do this but men of science do. Now in my mind I have opened up the investigation of reality to include a spirit world. Something like science 2.0, science with larger boundaries. So within the physical world I accept the scientific method and enjoy new discoveries and experiments. But on theories and projections I balance the wisdom of man with knowledge of the spirit world. I know that what I experience of the spirit world is personal and not testable but for me it is real and solid just like the scientific method. So I have not abandoned science I have expanded it.

As for scripture one either sees value or one does not. I happen to see value. But I have no argument that will lead someone to my view.

[Guest]

Why is it that my understanding of quantum mechanics doesn't lead me to believe in unicorns and what not? What did I miss?

Yes, you must have skipped the chapter on unicorns.

[_Tarski]

I know that what I experience of the spirit world is personal and not testable but for me it is real and solid just like the scientific method. So I have not abandoned science I have expanded it.

Umm, science by nature is public.

by the way,


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[_Franktalk]

Umm, science by nature is public.

by the way,


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Love images. Some more than others.

[_keithb]

Umm, science by nature is public.

by the way,


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Love images. Some more than others.

But, the question then becomes do you understand this image? For example, could you derive the equation for V_out using first principles (of voltage loops and conservation of charge)? If not, then you're just posting images from Physics without understanding them.

[_Tarski]

OK nobody got my obscure reference.

I know that what I experience of the spirit world is personal and not testable but for me it is real and solid.

The molecule is DMT
(The spirit molecule--look it up)

[_Morley]

OK nobody got my obscure reference.

I know that what I experience of the spirit world is personal and not testable but for me it is real and solid.

The molecule is DMT
(The spirit molecule--look it up)

Shucks. I was about to post this image!

[_huckelberry]

Franktalk"Also there would have to be a mechanism to get the eroded material back under the continent. One may look at the west coast of the United States and see a diving sea floor and think that would supply that path. But it does not. The erosion material has not made a path to the diving floor. Ever wonder why? I have."

Huckelberry notes,
Despite my simple statement, eroded material is replaced, there is no reason to expect a constant rate or constant balance. I meant only a general balance. There are clearly ways that material is being replaced. I live in Eastern Washington state. The land is composed of volacanic rock some 4000 ft thick all laid down in the past 20 million years. To the east in Idaho though there are very old sedimentary formation. large masses of Granite, a volcanic intrusion, have been added to the land. Mountain ranges in the region all represent land being lifted up. Each of these things suggest large amounts of sediment in the ocean finding a path to join the continent.