Drifting wrote:Hi stemelbow, please can you share with mattie your belief as to why Joseph Smiths translation of facsimile 3 is completely wrong? (remember its not missing, the Church owns it)
huh? What are you even talking about, Drifting? do you know my views at all? Oh brother....what's the point in this?
Buff beat me to it! But your huffy reaction to a reasonable question is quite interesting.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
What is the proper translation? Was joe just making stuff up?
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
Buffalo wrote:Do you believe it was translated correctly?
I do not. I think Joseph Smith was probably mistaken to assume the characters of the hand were representative of the explanations offered.
then again, i don't really know Egyptian.
Do you believe the papyrus was correctly translated into the Book of Abraham?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Fence Sitter wrote: I would add Mortal Man and George Miller into the mix, they both seem to be doing some very interesting work in this area.
Perhaps?
I respect and enjoy both of these people but have seen little from MM on this topic and have seen nothing from George on this topic (Did REALLY enjoy the contributions that Mr. Miller shared about the fascinating history of the Temple)
For me, Kevin's work and massive amount of knowledge in and around this topic, puts him very near the top of a very short list. (If not the very top)
I look forward to seeing the work of MM and George on this topic.
Done by Robert K. Ritner, John Gee's professor at Yale.
I may be reading it wrong but Ritner seems to be offering an alternative translation to the one produced by Smith.......
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Done by Robert K. Ritner, John Gee's professor at Yale.
I may be reading it wrong but Ritner seems to be offering an alternative translation to the one produced by Smith.......
That's odd:
The present volume also includes insightful introductory essays by noted scholars Christopher Woods, Associate Professor of Sumerology, University of Chicago (“The Practice of Egyptian Religion at ‘Ur of the Chaldees’”), Marc Coenen, Egyptian Studies Ph. D., University of Leuven, Belgium (“The Ownership and Dating of Certain Joseph Smith Papyri”), and H. Michael Marquardt, author of The Revelations of Joseph Smith: Text and Commentary (“Joseph Smith’s Egyptian Papers: A History”), and contains twenty-eight photographic plates, including color images of the primary papyri (with corrected alignment for Papyrus Joseph Smith 2) and other relevant items.
They seem to have forgotten to ask John Gee to contribute. How can that be? Never mind! Gee will humiliate them when he writes his review for the Journal of Near Eastern Studies.
I can't wait ...
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Done by Robert K. Ritner, John Gee's professor at Yale.
That.rocks....there is always the "catalyst" theory :). You notice how mopoligetics always seem to devolve into unprovable, mind-numbing claims like: It was a catalyst (since it obviously doesn't translate into the Book of Abraham), the (imaginary) golden plates might have been tumbaga, he wasn't speaking for god - he was speaking as a man, horses don't = horses, the lamanintes are NOT the PRINCIPLE ancestors of the native north and south americans - their DNA has been lost, etc....
Its like they spend their time trying to come up with the most unlikely, unscientific/unlogical and unprovable scenarios they can in order to support their failing "faith". It comes across as a form of dependency/insanity.
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs