Would you please shut the f*** up about the whining that you witness. Point taken in the previous 10 billion f*****g posts you've made about the same goddamned thing.
H.
Then there are leftist sillies like Toronto who's belief system is roughly 97% emotion based, and who demonstrates this time and time again, when given the opportunity.
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Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Droopy wrote:Then there are Mormon sillies like Droopy whose belief system is roughly 99.9% emotion based, and who demonstrates this time and time again, when given the opportunity during fast and testimony meeting.
I may have underestimated the percentage in this quote by 0.1
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
"But this is not the common usage, as we saw in the Oxford English Dictionary. (And we would do well to remember that dictionaries do not give definitions, they give usages.) Atheism is typically used to mean "disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God" (not to mention its pejorative permutations). But "denial of a God" is an untenable position. it is no more possible to prove God's nonexistence than it is to prove His existence. "there is no God" is no more defensible than "there is a God." How We Believe : Science, Skepticism, and the search for God, Michael Shermer, 2nd Ed, pg 9.
He puts it in a way that I find most compelling. If you assume the atheist position you assume the burden to prove it. The funny thing in all of this, or mixed up thing if you prefer, is that atheists typically don't believe because they find the notion of belief untenable. Belief in God is untenable therefore I see no reason to believe but the mistake is to make a claim of one's own--that there is no God. As Shermer suggests one cannot disprove the existence of God just as one can't prove such existence. The position of atheism is untenable, but the atheist typically surrenders to that position because he/she finds belief untenable. What a weird position to find oneself in, I'd say. The out for believers is the reason for belief is in faith (meaning the experiences they consider spiritual provide reason to believe), but for atheists they are stuck having to rely on verifyable scientific methods and reasoning to prove his/her position, which is impossible to do. So what we're left with is two untenable positions, one, ultimately with an out, the other filled with hypocrisy, it seems.
This is quite like unto the whining exhibited here regarding LDS folks and LDS defenders. The complaint here is that the LDS defender is merely critiquing a critique of an LDS position, and therefore the LDS defender isn’t supporting his/her position—the positive claims of the Church. And yet, the original critique offered of LDS belief is untenable, as reasoned by the LDS defender. The critics position is untenable, while claiming LDS belief can’t be right because its untenable.
There ya are folks—the very problem you guys have created and have been unwilling and/or unwilling to see or accept.
Stem -
You're conflating "belief in a God" with "belief in an LDS position".
These can be two very different things, and usually are.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Would you please shut the f*** up about the whining that you witness. Point taken in the previous 10 billion f*****g posts you've made about the same goddamned thing.
H.
Then there are leftist sillies like Toronto who's belief system is roughly 97% emotion based, and who demonstrates this time and time again, when given the opportunity.
I know, right? I spend many a night wishing I was more like you, all logical and factual and such. My pillow has spend many a night soaked in Droopy-induced tears.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
DarkHelmet wrote:That's why I'm agnostic. The question of whether or not there is a supreme intellectual being, or beings, controlling the universe is beyond our knowledge. However, I am sympathetic to the atheist position because all the religions that have been invented so far are stupid.
I am very sympathetic to this point of view. Many popular conceptions of God ought to be considered blasphemous because they are so vile. The problems present in the Bible are difficult to get around. It is much easier to think of it as manmade and chuck the whole thing. To just say, "stop the madness now," is very appealing.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist