No death before the fall

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Re: No death before the fall

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bcspace wrote:The Millenial Star was not an official publication for the same reasons the JoD was not an official publication.


Doyle L. Green, "The Church and Its Magazines", Ensign, Jan. 1971

The Ensign of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints bids a warm and cordial welcome to its pages to members and friends of the Church throughout the world.

We welcome new subscribers. We welcome former readers of the Improvement Era, the Relief Society Magazine, the Instructor, and the Millennial Star, publications that have served nobly for many years.

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In 1840 a majority of the twelve apostles were in England, conducting their affairs as a quorum. In May they started publication of the Millennial Star. The prospectus of this periodical said that it would “stand aloof from the common political and commercial news of the day. Its columns will be devoted to the spread of the fulness of the Gospel—the restoration of the ancient principles of Christianity—the gathering of Israel—the rolling forth of the kingdom of God among the nations—the signs of the times—the fulfillment of prophecy—recording the judgments of God as they befall the nations whether signs in the heavens or in the earth, blood, fire or vapor or smoke … and ushering in of his [Christ’s] universal reign upon the earth. It will also contain letters from our numerous Elders who are abroad, preaching the word both in America and in Europe, containing news of their success in ministering the blessings of the glorious Gospel.” (DHC 4:133.) The publication met these lofty ideals in a very real way.

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The decision in 1970 to terminate the publication of the Improvement Era, Instructor, Relief Society Magazine, Children’s Friend, and Millennial Star and to replace them with three new publications was not an idle or hasty move. It came about only after a great deal of study, planning, and prayer.


Church News: 6 May 2011

History of the Church Magazines

1840 – Millennial Star, the mission periodical for England, begins publication.


Church History in the Fulness of Times Institute Student Manual

The first issue of the Millennial Star came off the press 27 May 1840 in Manchester, England. It began as a monthly publication edited by Parley P. Pratt. Over the years it changed to a semi-monthly, then to a weekly, and finally back to a monthly.

In 1842 the Church headquarters in Britain was moved to Liverpool, and the Star was published there until 1933 when it began to be published in London. Until its cessation in 1970 it was the oldest continuous publication in the Church.


http://relarchive.BYU.edu/MPNC/descript ... _star.html

The Millennial Star was the longest running Latter-day Saint (LDS) periodical, published continuously for 130 years until discontinued in 1970 with the overhaul of all the LDS magazines. It was inaugurated by the Twelve at the beginning of their great mission to England. Brigham Young and his fellow members of the Twelve landed in Liverpool on April 6, 1840, the tenth anniversary of the Church. Eight days later they began a series of meetings in Preston in which they resolved to publish a monthly periodical to be called the Latter-day Saints Millennial Star. The prospectus, also reprinted in the first number of the Star, announces that the magazine “will stand aloof from the common political and commercial news of the day.—Its columns will be devoted to the spread of the fulness of the gospel.”

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Even though the Star was published primarily for the members of the Church in England, it is an important record of the progress of the whole of Mormonism, especially of the nineteenth century Utah church. Hence, it is difficult to overestimate the value of the Star. “But for this publication,” notes H. H. Bancroft, “it would be impossible to fill the gaps which occur in the record of the Mormon people.” (History of Utah, 407).
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Only anti Mormons make these kinds of arguments Jason.
Ad hominem attacks mean you have lost.


I appreciate your admission that you have lost, but if you're so concerned about it, why not address the BY quotes differentiating between God the Father and Adam and the doctrines invalidated by having an Adam God theory in the first place?
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bcspace wrote: ...The Deseret News is also not published by the Church. ...


How so? It's published by Deseret Management Corporation which also holds Deseret Book. Perhaps Deseret Book isn't published by the Church either? How do you make these determinations, BC?
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...The Deseret News is also not published by the Church. ...

How so? It's published by Deseret Management Corporation which also holds Deseret Book. Perhaps Deseret Book isn't published by the Church either? How do you make these determinations, BC?


When you see "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (or sometimes "Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints") listed as the publisher, then it is published by the Church.
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bcspace wrote:When you see "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (or sometimes "Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints") listed as the publisher, then it is published by the Church.


From the Deseret News website under "founded" (http://www.deseretnews.com/aboutus/). Bold is mine.

Founded
Deseret News - History

The first issue of the Deseret News was published on June 22, 1850, in Salt Lake City, Utah by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Its first editor, Willard Richards, wrote the Deseret News Prospectus, a proposal for the new endeavor, with hopes of achieving at least 300 subscribers. Mormon settlers had arrived in the Salt Lake Valley less than three years earlier. Willard Richards arrived with Brigham Young in the first wagon train.


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Edit: BC, given this, when did the Deseret News cease being an ever-renewing fount of doctrine? Or is it, perhaps, still a source of official doctrine?
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Published for the Church or for the State of Deseret?
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bcspace wrote:Published for the Church or for the State of Deseret?

I don't know. Are you hedging your guidelines?
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Published for the Church or for the State of Deseret?

I don't know. Are you hedging your guidelines?


Nope.
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bcspace wrote:Nope.

So, the Deseret News was doctrine? Or is it doctrine now?

Certainly the parts of it that pertain to religion and God must be (or have been) doctrine, according to your paradigm?
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So, the Deseret News was doctrine? Or is it doctrine now?

Certainly the parts of it that pertain to religion and God must be (or have been) doctrine, according to your paradigm?


Being published by an entity owned or controlled by the Church does not mean officially published in any doctrinal sense. At best you I think you could say semi-official.
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