Is the portrayal of Joseph Smith fair?

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Malkie wrote:And while they're about that, show me the revelation ending the denial of priesthood to men of certain lineages/races/colours. I've seen the announcement that a revelation was received, but don't believe that anyone has produced the text of the actual revelation. Am I wrong?


No, you are not wrong. There is no revelation regarding the priesthood ban...because God did not authorize such a ban. There is only a revelation regarding the reversal of the ban.
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why me wrote:And later in life she did not come out against Joseph. Nor did any other of his wives.


Yep, the women who agreed to be his plural wives did not have a problem with Joseph Smith and polygamy. It seems the only people who had a problem with polygamy were his wife, Emma, and the women who turned down his advances, and everyone else. Other than that, the women were totally cool with it.
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malkie wrote:And while they're about that, show me the revelation ending the denial of priesthood to men of certain lineages/races/colours. I've seen the announcement that a revelation was received, but don't believe that anyone has produced the text of the actual revelation.

Am I wrong?


Seems to me like there are a lot of missing revelations. And even more interesting is the ones they can actually find.
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liz3564 wrote:
Malkie wrote:And while they're about that, show me the revelation ending the denial of priesthood to men of certain lineages/races/colours. I've seen the announcement that a revelation was received, but don't believe that anyone has produced the text of the actual revelation. Am I wrong?


No, you are not wrong. There is no revelation regarding the priesthood ban...because God did not authorize such a ban. There is only a revelation regarding the reversal of the ban.


God wasn't involved in creating the ban or getting rid of it. Why does God need to get rid of a ban she didn't start, and then why wait till 1978 and not even at least state it was a mistake. In reality it is just men making mistakes and other men at least doing away with mistakes.
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liz3564 wrote:
Malkie wrote:And while they're about that, show me the revelation ending the denial of priesthood to men of certain lineages/races/colours. I've seen the announcement that a revelation was received, but don't believe that anyone has produced the text of the actual revelation. Am I wrong?


No, you are not wrong. There is no revelation regarding the priesthood ban...because God did not authorize such a ban. There is only a revelation regarding the reversal of the ban.

But where is the revelation regarding the reversal of the ban? That's what I was asking about.

The way I read OD2 it is just an announcement of the receipt of a revelation, and a paraphrasing of the content of said revelation.
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malkie wrote:The way I read OD2 it is just an announcement of the receipt of a revelation, and a paraphrasing of the content of said revelation.


In this, as in everything else, you get what you pay for.
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liz3564 wrote:
Malkie wrote:And while they're about that, show me the revelation ending the denial of priesthood to men of certain lineages/races/colours. I've seen the announcement that a revelation was received, but don't believe that anyone has produced the text of the actual revelation. Am I wrong?


No, you are not wrong. There is no revelation regarding the priesthood ban...because God did not authorize such a ban. There is only a revelation regarding the reversal of the ban.


I don't think that's fair at all. If the Lord truly had given a revelation pertaining to such a matter of significance it would not have come off as an Executive Priesthood memo but filled out with some details like exposing the error that started it or pointing to say the prophecy of Isaiah 19 which speaks of the burden of Egypt when all three segments of humanity as the Lord sees it, the House of Israel, the Gentiles and the Egyptians become equal before him and the children of Zoan will be allowed to make a vow and perform it.

A reiteration of the "curse" is stated thusly:

Isaiah 19:13-15
13 The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.
14 The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
15 Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.

Then the same chapter goes on to give signs of the days when the Egyptians who up to this point are as women (no priesthood) that signal the time when things change.

Read the entire Burden of Egypt.......Isaiah Chapter 19 for yourself. I interpret these signs as:
1. Aswan High Dam turns back the waters of the Nile......circa.....1960-1970
2. The Six Day War.....When Egypt was made to fear Judah.......June 5-10 1967
3. US Civil Rights Movement....when the children of Egypt began to assert themselves......................................................................Mostly in the Sixties

I wrote up a paper back in the day about Isaiah 19 and the Negro and the Priesthood which nobody cared to note because that would validate everything else I was saying at the time.......sort of like how it still is.

Yeah there was a lower Aswan embankment dam in 1910 but thisdam is more significant.

The time was at hand and even without a REAL revelation so the events predicted by Isaiah came to pass when he said that they would.

Israel kept the Gaza Strip with at least 7 principle cities as the prophecy states Five cities of Egypt speak the language of Caanan. (Hebrew?) One is called the city of desolation and this can still be better fulfilled. A desolation did occurr in Rafah:

In the summer of 1971, the IDF, under General Ariel Sharon (then head of the IDF southern command), destroyed approximately 500 houses in the refugee camps of Rafah in order to create patrol roads for Israeli forces. These demolitions displaced nearly 4000 people.[9] Israel established the Brazil and Canada housing projects to accommodate displaced Palestinians and to provide better conditions in the hopes of integrating the refugees into the general population and its standard of living;

As the new age continues perhaps all the specifics of the prophecy will occur. Such as the Gospel actually being accomplished among them.
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This is not an internet board hostile to Mormonism and devoid of academic discussion. This is a board dedicated to discussions of Mormonism with an unusually open level of moderation.


:lol: You gotta be kidding.
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Hello,

The problem with Mormonism is that it doesn't pass the common sense test. It's just an unusually odd religion. People can't get past that.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hello,

The problem with Mormonism is that it doesn't pass the common sense test. It's just an unusually odd religion. People can't get past that.

V/R Dr. Cam


It is not so odd. I don't remember anyone finding it odd before the Internet came along and made it seem odd. Mormonism is a religion which expects members to live the commandments of god. It tells people to pray and to look upon God as a personal god. Mormonism is not just a religion...it is also a culture that puts stress on its members to look out for another through visiting and home teaching. And it is also a religion that looks after its own and gives much in humanitarian aid.

If it is odd, it is because it now seems to stress values that are in many cases the polar opposite of the ways of the world.
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