LDS Church not Right Wing

[_Tobin]

LMAO

That is non-sense. YOU MUST have God's authority (a.k.a. priesthood) inorder to enter his presence and reach exaltation.

So you are trying to say that you disagree with LDS President Spencer W. Kimball, and with the LDS Gospel Principal Manuel???

Absolutely. Also, there are many types (or orders) to the priesthood. The Melchizedek Priesthood is an Order of the Priesthood, after the order of the son of God in this case. However, priesthood is the authority of God and is something quite different. To possess the authority of God has no requirements. God is free to give his authority to anyone.

[_ludwigm]

"The Lord will never let women lead us - or the ship of The Church - astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God."
- said President Ezra Taft Benson. Or something similar, I don't remember his words exactly, he said too many...
Or it was said by President Wilford Woodruff. Or by both, which makes it more true.

[_KevinSim]

So you were just graduating from high school when the reversal came?

I had graduated the year before.

Do you remember the protests and boycotts against BYU's athletic teams, and all the talk of losing tax exempt status?

No, I don't remember those.

[_KevinSim]

I don't see a logical role for a caring, consistent, intervening god in this episode.

Krose, what do you mean by consistent?

[_krose]

I don't see a logical role for a caring, consistent, intervening god in this episode.

Krose, what do you mean by consistent?

As opposed to capricious, temperamental and unpredictable.

[_krose]

Do you remember the protests and boycotts against BYU's athletic teams, and all the talk of losing tax exempt status?

No, I don't remember those.

Okay. That was the environment in the time period leading up to the ban reversal, and should not be ignored when determining the motivations for it.

[_angsty]

Not sexist at all? Women and men together can distribute the Eucharist, but they can't bless it. They need a priest to bless it, and the Roman Catholic Church doesn't have women priests. So how do you conclude that "the Catholic scenario under discussion is not sexist at all"?

To clarify, I was referring to the exceptional circumstance under which women are allowed to perform priestly duties. Both organizations have an exclusively male priesthood. In the LDS scenario in which women perform a priesthood function, it is because they are serving other women in a situation where a man doing so would be inappropriate. In the Catholic scenario, the women who assist do so without regard to gender-- their own gender, or the gender of those they are serving. .

I did give it up, and if that isn't clear enough, I do give it up.

Got it-- thanks.

[_angsty]

However, I have heard before that women in a way receive the Priesthood when they go through the Temple for their endowments.

Not unless things have changed radically since the last time I went through.

[_angsty]

And yet women do "have leadership positions over men." The three women that make up the Primary presidency have authority over the men who serve as Primary teachers. Granted that most Primary teachers are women, but I think it's safe to say that there are some male Primary teachers in each ward. I know there are some in my ward.

Also, as often as not a woman serves as chair of a ward's Activities Committee, and there is usually a few men on that committee, so there also women "have leadership positions over men."

Fair enough.

[_krose]

Back to the original subject, Kevin has failed to show any credible evidence (or even a convincing argument) for the claim in the title.

Of course the LDS Church is very conservative. I don't see any way to look at the views of its membership, or what the organization itself advocates, and come to any other conclusion.

Yes, it started out as an organization with cutting-edge, radical ideas, mainly because it was created by young men in a time of societal upheaval. But as is often the case, as the leaders aged and the organization became a genuine gerontocracy, it became more and more conservative. One might say this evolution was inevitable. It was certainly predictable.