Is Misogyny Alive and Well With Some TBMs?

[_SteelHead]

Game programmer and work life balance are anathema.

Been there. Done that.

[_madeleine]

Game programmer and work life balance are anathema.

Been there. Done that.

Yeah, that is the life of anyone in technology. I think that is what scares off so many women. They can't imagine having a family and working in a tech field. There were a few nights when I was 7 months pregnant that I was driving into work in the middle of the night to fix broken stuff. Now, I can fix most broken stuff from home. I'm pretty much on call 24X7, though, if you ask me what my main goal is at work, it is to not work 24X7. I'll work on anything first that is making me work off hours before I do anything else. I've also learned that not all emergencies are emergencies, regardless of what the emergency-makers think about their "emergency". There are a lot of drama queens, especially in marketing.

At any rate, I just want her to finish college! If she gets a degree in computer science, does the game programming thing (or not) for while, she will still have many options. Options that just aren't there if you don't have the degree (as I well know).

[_madeleine]

Women are rapidly gaining on men in new computer science degrees. Of course, since men already make up a huge % of the field and they don't just all die the second a new person gets a degree, they will continue to hold a majority for a while even if women achieve parity. If you look at most fields, women are outpacing men in new postgrad degrees at a reasonably high rate. They now dominate overall masters degrees and, just recently, have overtaken the overall doctoral rate. This creep has been coming for a while, and is a reflection of changes coming from the bottom up. Since performance there is predictive of eventual doctoral rates, we should expect to see women outpace men in new academics by a significant degree within a decade or so. I view this is as a worrying trend, as it reflects some underlying gender biases in what we are doing. Even Droopy might be concerned, as this affects people with penises. That's serious business.

Right now, women make up a little under a 1/3rd of new doctorates in computer science and math. That's up from next to nothing 20 years ago.

No doubt, I've seen this in the workplace. I can't walk 2 feet in any direction at work without running into a person (male or female) with a masters degree. 20 years ago, I don't think I knew more than one man with a masters degree and no women.

It shows my age, but really, the younger generation of men and women in the workforce are so much better educated than 20 years ago. I've been floored sometimes by the people who come in straight out of college.

But then we can talk about the people who I work with who have been educated in India. Good Lord, I feel like a country bumpkin around them.

[_ludwigm]

Colonel Simon West
First Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Howe Barracks, Canterbury, Kent
Tuesday 09 November 2004
Image of Queen of England (sometimes moderated...)

God save the Queen!

Remember that Scottish clans, although families, are also traditionally organized military units, and the kilt is a male military uniform designed for close quarters combat and surviving in a harsh outdoor environment.

Colonel Simon West will never live it down. I wonder if her Highness has that picture framed and hanging in her bedroom.

My opinion is that the colonel had the balls to do it. (pun intended)
I am only lieutenant colonel... and pensioned one... and we have no queen...

Analysis: Given that two different versions of this photo exist, one more revealing than the other, it's a safe bet the image has been manipulated. What we can't determine with any certainty is which of the two was the original.

The photograph first appeared in the London Daily Mail on November 10, 2004 under the headline, "Queen Is Exposed to Colonel's Highland Game." No private parts are visible. The story identified the officer sitting next to the Queen as Colonel Simon West of the 1st Battalion of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. "In his cap, jacket and spats, his hands on his knees and his ankles crossed, he sat proudly in the front row," the article states. "But unlike his comrades, he hadn't taken the time to adjust his sporran and kilt for decency. So the kilt flapped about for all the world to see. And judging by the grin on his face, the colonel knew exactly what he was doing."

An article in the next day's edition of The Mirror reported that the "flap" was unintentional and that Colonel West claimed to be "embarrassed beyond comprehension." An army spokesman confirmed West was wearing no underwear when the photograph was taken.

The more explicit version of the image began circulating via email in late November. The timing would suggest that the later version was the one manipulated, but there is no conclusive evidence either way.

I did know exactly in my whole life, what I was doing.
And I've received the smacks in my face for them...

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Liz calls it "Misogyny".

Mormons call it "Priesthood".

[_ludwigm]

Liz calls it "Misogyny".

Mormons call it "Priesthood".

Those writing or commenting on Latter-day Saint doctrine also need to understand that certain words in the Mormon vocabulary have slightly different meanings and connotations than those same words have in other religions.

[_Drifting]

Liz calls it "Misogyny".

Mormons call it "Priesthood".

Those writing or commenting on Latter-day Saint doctrine also need to understand that certain words in the Mormon vocabulary have slightly different meanings and connotations than those same words have in other religions.

WE call it "lying" General Authorities call it "milk before meat"

We call them "12 year old boys" Mormons call them "head of the household" when Dad's out.

[_selek]

Not to mention the hundred or so straight pins required to make that lace collar look good. He could give you a serious pricking.

Pun intended? Paul, care to comment? :-)

[_Yoda]

Liz calls it "Misogyny".

Mormons call it "Priesthood".

OK, that made me LOL!

[_MsJack]

We call them "12 year old boys" Mormons call them "head of the household" when Dad's out.

This is not accurate. I recall a few talks from Dallin Oaks where he talked about being raised by a single mother after his father died. He made it very clear that it was his mother who presided in the home, even though he was the eldest person in the family with priesthood.

Presiding in the home isn't really a priesthood function in Mormon thought anyways. It's a husband > wife > the rest of the family thing. If it were a strict "who has priesthood" thing, then the church would have to teach that non-LDS fathers in mixed member homes do not preside over, say, their 12-year-old member sons.

I dislike the church's teachings on "gender roles" as much as anyone, and I find some of what Oaks has said on the matter to be logically nonsensical*, but let's be fair here. They aren't teaching that prepubescent boys have more authority in the household than their own mothers.

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(*He says leadership in the home is patriarchal while leadership in the church is hierarchical. Since patriarchy is a form of hierarchy and the church hierarchy consists entirely of men, it's nonsensical to try and make such a distinction.)