DCP's Stock goes Down again

[Guest]

Hey again, Chap

US political discourse generally is not in a healthy state,

Ya think?

and a lot of people bear responsibility for that, not all in political parties.

Indeed!

But in the context of the present contest for the Presidency, which will be decided one way or another, with no opt-outs unless you intend to emigrate, I do not think the Republicans (Tea-Party and all) are currently serving their country well.

Yes, I understand that you do not think they are.

The sole point I was offering you, for your mere consideration, is that I don't think your statement of "currently serving their country well" fits neatly on any particular side of this pathetic and corrupt political ledger.

I don't think the Democrats are currently serving their country well But as I have said elsewhere, your mileage may differ.

We agree here (Hallelujah!!!!!)

Thanks for the dialouge!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Ludd]

Peterson's blog is unintentionally hilarious, because in the very same sentence the he complains that people have been suckered into believing a false narrative created to smear Mitt, he shows the world that he himself has been suckered into believing the the ridiculously false narrative the extreme right wing has created for Obama:

The thing that’s keeping Barack Obama in the race despite his miserable performance on both economic policy and foreign policy, despite Obamacare, despite his attempts to control the means of production, despite his contempt for religious liberty, and despite his disdain for ordinary Americans, is Governor Romney’s entirely unwarranted negative public image as a person.

That comment is what I call a display of self righteous stupidity.

It's seems to me that Peterson is "preaching to the choir" of those he knows follow his blog. He doesn't have to provide any evidence for his allegations, because he knows his readers are going to agree with what he says without evidence. The problem for him and Romney is that no matter what the Romney supporters do to try and make him look "normal", Romney keeps putting his own foot in his mouth. The Republicans should have run McCain again this time around and they would have won easily. In fact, the only way they could lose this election, given the current state of the economy, is to run someone (Romney) who was dislikeable enough for most people to decide it was better to stick with "the devil they know" (Obama).

[_Madison54]

The Republicans should have run McCain again this time around and they would have won easily.

I highly doubt that. Even I would vote for Romney over McCain (and I'm anything but a Romney supporter).

I think that it speaks volumes that these two (McCain and Romney) are the best the Republican party has to offer.

[_DarkHelmet]

I wanted to vote for Romney. I don't think Obama is a competent leader. But Romney is making it really hard to vote for him. I also fell into the false theory that a business man would make a good president who could solve our economic problems. But after actually looking into it a bit, and doing some reading, businessmen rarely make good presidents. When you look at the good to great presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Ike, none of them had business experience. Reagan was an actor for chrissakes. And then you have that career politician from Illinois. Who would elect a career politician from Illinois? But Lincoln turned out to be a pretty good President. Herbert Hoover had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great depression. GW Bush had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great recession. Jimmy Carter built up his families peanut warehouse business before getting into politics. How did his business experience work out for the country? We've had great presidents who were military men, and great presidents who were lawyers and career politicians. Have we ever had a great president who was a businessman?

[_Jaybear]

I wanted to vote for Romney. I don't think Obama is a competent leader. But Romney is making it really hard to vote for him. I also fell into the false theory that a business man would make a good president who could solve our economic problems. But after actually looking into it a bit, and doing some reading, businessmen rarely make good presidents. When you look at the good to great presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Ike, none of them had business experience. Reagan was an actor for chrissakes. And then you have that career politician from Illinois. Who would elect a career politician from Illinois? But Lincoln turned out to be a pretty good President. Herbert Hoover had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great depression. GW Bush had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great recession. Jimmy Carter built up his families peanut warehouse business before getting into politics. How did his business experience work out for the country? We've had great presidents who were military men, and great presidents who were lawyers and career politicians. Have we ever had a great president who was a businessman?

I don't understand those of you on the fence.

Do you believe global warming is a hoax?
Do you believe Roe v Wade should be overturned?
Do you think we need to spend more or less money on defense spending?
Should the rich get a tax cut, or pay more in taxes?
Should we cut federal funding to planned parenthood, to PBS?
Should you think we need more religion in our public schools?
Do you believe that Americans have a second amendment right to assault rifles, extended carbines, and armor piercing bullets?
Do you believe gays should have the right to marry?
Do you think we should open up national parks and lands to drilling?
Do you believe that tax cuts pay for themselves?
DO you believe in Keynesian economic theory?
Do you believe that we should offer a undocumented citizens a path to citizenship, or encourage them to self deport?
DO you think we need more or less corporate money in our elections?

Not sure how anyone can be on the fence.

[_Ceeboo]

I don't understand those of you on the fence.

Do you believe global warming is a hoax?
Do you believe Roe v Wade should be overturned?
Do you think we need to spend more or less money on defense spending?
Should the rich get a tax cut, or pay more in taxes?
Should we cut federal funding to planned parenthood, to PBS?
Should you think we need more religion in our public schools?
Do you believe that Americans have a second amendment right to assault rifles, extended carbines, and armor piercing bullets?
Do you believe gays should have the right to marry?
Do you think we should open up national parks and lands to drilling?
Do you believe that tax cuts pay for themselves?
DO you believe in Keynesian economic theory?
Do you believe that we should offer a undocumented citizens a path to citizenship, or encourage them to self deport?
DO you think we need more or less corporate money in our elections?

Not sure how anyone can be on the fence.

Maher, is that really you?





Peace,
Ceeboo

[_DarkHelmet]

I wanted to vote for Romney. I don't think Obama is a competent leader. But Romney is making it really hard to vote for him. I also fell into the false theory that a business man would make a good president who could solve our economic problems. But after actually looking into it a bit, and doing some reading, businessmen rarely make good presidents. When you look at the good to great presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Ike, none of them had business experience. Reagan was an actor for chrissakes. And then you have that career politician from Illinois. Who would elect a career politician from Illinois? But Lincoln turned out to be a pretty good President. Herbert Hoover had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great depression. GW Bush had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great recession. Jimmy Carter built up his families peanut warehouse business before getting into politics. How did his business experience work out for the country? We've had great presidents who were military men, and great presidents who were lawyers and career politicians. Have we ever had a great president who was a businessman?

I don't understand those of you on the fence.

Do you believe global warming is a hoax?
Do you believe Roe v Wade should be overturned?
Do you think we need to spend more or less money on defense spending?
Should the rich get a tax cut, or pay more in taxes?
Should we cut federal funding to planned parenthood, to PBS?
Should you think we need more religion in our public schools?
Do you believe that Americans have a second amendment right to assault rifles, extended carbines, and armor piercing bullets?
Do you believe gays should have the right to marry?
Do you think we should open up national parks and lands to drilling?
Do you believe that tax cuts pay for themselves?
DO you believe in Keynesian economic theory?
Do you believe that we should offer a undocumented citizens a path to citizenship, or encourage them to self deport?
DO you think we need more or less corporate money in our elections?

Not sure how anyone can be on the fence.

It's actually easy to be on the fence. The last 4 years haven't exactly been wonderful. Greater than 8% unemployment for Obama's entire term. Trillion dollar deficits. Stagnant wages. Stubbornly high gas prices. None of this can be pinned solely on Obama. He inherited a big mess. But I haven't seen the strong bipartisan leadership required to solve these issues. FDR inherited a bigger mess. Lincoln probably inherited the biggest mess. Those men rose to the occasion. I don't expect Obama to be the next Lincoln or FDR. He has a stubborn GOP opposition that wants to see him fail. If he can't push past that opposition and lead, we need someone that can. Sadly, I don't think Romney is the man. That's why it's easy to be on the fence.

[_Kishkumen]

Hardly stupid. Most American voters have a superficial understanding of the candidates. To them, having a likeable candidate is an important characteristic. Playing up the dog incident is a humorous way for democrats to reinforce a preexisting narrative that Mitt is callous and uncaring and therefore unlikeable.

By comparison, the republicans effectively used the image of John Kerry windsurfing to reinforce their narative that he was an elitist, out of touch with the common man.

What you call stupid, is a critically important part of part of broad campaign strategy.

Oh, I am sorry, but the effectiveness of something in the short run does not justify the harm it does in the larger scheme of things.

It simply is stupid.

[_Kishkumen]

I wanted to vote for Romney. I don't think Obama is a competent leader. But Romney is making it really hard to vote for him. I also fell into the false theory that a business man would make a good president who could solve our economic problems. But after actually looking into it a bit, and doing some reading, businessmen rarely make good presidents. When you look at the good to great presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Bill Clinton, Reagan, Ike, none of them had business experience. Reagan was an actor for chrissakes. And then you have that career politician from Illinois. Who would elect a career politician from Illinois? But Lincoln turned out to be a pretty good President. Herbert Hoover had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great depression. GW Bush had a lot of business experience, and he is blamed for the great recession. Jimmy Carter built up his families peanut warehouse business before getting into politics. How did his business experience work out for the country? We've had great presidents who were military men, and great presidents who were lawyers and career politicians. Have we ever had a great president who was a businessman?

Excellent point, DarkHelmet. The facile assumption that business leadership translates well into effective political leadership makes for a bad argument.

[_SteelHead]

I'm just confused about how this thread has gone from discussion about DCP to Romney. :)