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Re: From church apologist to neuroscientist and physicist

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Physics Guy wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:34 pm
I wonder exactly how fear of death may drive people to Mormonism. There are other belief systems which offer just as much hope for afterlife without all the Mormon baggage of ugly history, fake Scriptures, and high activity demand. I mean, one can just decide to believe that after death we all get eternal beach vacations, with no strings attached. If you can really believe that, you've got the fear of death licked.

I suppose that's the rub. If you just decide to believe something, it's too obvious that that's all your doing. When evidence is unavailable, one way you can still raise your confidence is to up your investment. A $100 bottle of wine is bound to taste better than a $10 bottle. If you don't actually know wine, but you really want to be sure you're getting a good bottle, you might just try to buy the most expensive bottle you can find.

Maybe committing to Mormonism is kind of analogous to that strategy.
I don't know that fear of death would drive anyone to Mormonism. Let's put it this way, had Peterson been born in some other religion or no religion, the chances he'd spend ten minutes with Mormonism is about one in a billion by my calculation.

Since he's Mormon, and by his own account never questioned anything and his beliefs haven't changed since he was twelve, then should he fear death, his hope is in a Mormon context. Mormonism has some overlap with spiritualism and theosophy. He probably even believes in a silver chord, maybe it's gold for Mormons.

I would say this, because of some of the similarities Mormonism shares with spiritualists, dead relatives communicating from the "other side" in the temple, the spirit world as an in-between state, and a lot of that fluff in Mormon culture, there might be a draw to Mormonism for people who have been drawn to spiritualism through popular culture, but then at the same time want a church. I recall a new member from my mission who was a spiritualist. Super nice, intelligent, charismatic lady, normal conversation is going on and then, wow, that morning a demon ran across her wall and she had to bind it, or something like that.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:38 am
Oh its worse than that... the apostles in Jesus' day who actually SAW the Lord are doomed since they are forced to believe in Jesus now. No wonder today's apostles, Special Witnesses to Jesus' holy, sacred name are blessed with NOT seeing Jesus or hearing Jesus or even KNOWING Jesus. It would kill their faith, and God cannot bless anyone who knows, only one who has faith! The More I study Mormonism the more idiotic it is actually seen to be. It astonishes me no end these days.
So what you are saying is God was doing me a FAVOR when he didn't show himself to me when I prayed to see him at 7 years old? Thank you God for sparing me! :lol:
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Re: From church apologist to neuroscientist and physicist

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dastardly stem wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:53 pm
Physics Guy wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:49 pm
Isn’t abandoning religion because of Hell like abandoning pizza because of anchovies?
Nah...I still eat pizza. If pizza were garbage there'd be tons more reasons to abandon it than anchovies--anchovies just happen to be one reason.
I love anchovy pizza. Learned in college that o could order anchovy pizza and offer to share it with my roommates knowing that they’d say a no thank you. It was my was of being selfish without coming across as being selfish.
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toon wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:03 am
I love anchovy pizza. Learned in college that o could order anchovy pizza and offer to share it with my roommates knowing that they’d say a no thank you. It was my way of being selfish without coming across as being selfish.
If they are out of anchovies, you can always substitute rock salt.
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Re: From church apologist to neuroscientist and physicist

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Kukulkan wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:09 am
Philo Sofee wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:38 am
Oh its worse than that... the apostles in Jesus' day who actually SAW the Lord are doomed since they are forced to believe in Jesus now. No wonder today's apostles, Special Witnesses to Jesus' holy, sacred name are blessed with NOT seeing Jesus or hearing Jesus or even KNOWING Jesus. It would kill their faith, and God cannot bless anyone who knows, only one who has faith! The More I study Mormonism the more idiotic it is actually seen to be. It astonishes me no end these days.
So what you are saying is God was doing me a FAVOR when he didn't show himself to me when I prayed to see him at 7 years old? Thank you God for sparing me! :lol:
Exactly. See how much the Lord loves you more than you will ever know? By staying away from your life and not interfering and never showing up and helping you grow your faith and being the absentee heavenly parent you are saved.
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