Question for Mo Experts

[drumdude]

A religion which is not led by God is indistinguishable from a religion in which God’s actions are hidden or unexplainable.

It’s much more likely Mormonism is not led by God or a prophet than it is God had a master plan which necessitated preventing black people from having the priesthood (which they had before the ban in some cases with no issues.)

They could have issued the priesthood in secret (like with polygamy).

They could have stayed silent on the topic, instead they tried to justify it with doctrine.

They could have not waited 10 years after the civil rights movement to change.

It’s a huge black eye for the church and very good evidence the church has no supernatural guidance.

[MG 2.0]

So are we on common ground in a belief in a creator God?

Not your truncated, narrow version of a creator God. Obviously, my God is a whole lot more ethical than yours.

I don’t believe any one of these two statements to be true.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

My disagreement is with your typification of God--your version of God having no obligation to answer his prophets on matters that deny blessings to an entire race; matters that reinforce the prejudices of whole generations of white folks.

The time may not have been right. You are, I would assume, aware of everything surrounding the history of the ‘negro question’ (as it was phrased at the time). Armand Mauss’s writings, etc.?

You are shrink wrapping this issue into a small little uncomplicated package. You are mistaken in doing so in my opinion.

No, I'm quoting your opinion. If I'm wrong, then set me straight. What is your opinion on whether God has an obligation to answer the faithful, sincere, relevant questions of his prophets. Earlier you said outright that he had no obligation to do so.

Your version of God also makes a promise in the Book of Mormon that you think he has no obligation to keep.

I think He does and He will. This is not synonymous with the meaning inherent in James 1:5.

So, God is not obligated to respond to his prophet's questions, but he is to respond to enquiries about the Book of Mormon?

I've said nothing about James 1:5.

[MG 2.0]

A religion which is not led by God is indistinguishable from a religion in which God’s actions are hidden or unexplainable.

It’s much more likely Mormonism is not led by God or a prophet than it is God had a master plan which necessitated preventing black people from having the priesthood (which they had before the ban in some cases with no issues.)

And this is your right and privilege to think/believe this.

Brigham Young is the one you would have to sit down with and hash it out. Was he following God’s will or not?

That is the million dollar question.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

The time may not have been right. You are, I would assume, aware of everything surrounding the history of the ‘negro question’ (as it was phrased at the time). Armand Mauss’s writings, etc.?

You are shrink wrapping this issue into a small little uncomplicated package. You are mistaken in doing so in my opinion.

No, I'm quoting your opinion. If I'm wrong, then set me straight. What is your opinion on whether God has an obligation to answer the faithful, sincere, relevant questions of his prophets. Earlier you said outright that he had no obligation to do so.

I think He does and He will. This is not synonymous with the meaning inherent in James 1:5.

So, God is not obligated to respond to his prophet's questions, but he is to respond to enquiries about the Book of Mormon?

I've said nothing about James 1:5.

Go back and reread my posts in this thread from the beginning. I’ve already answered/addressed your concerns. Read carefully for full comprehension.

I’m not trying to poke at you. I’m serious.

I’ve been down this road before. Don’t waste my time please.

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

A religion which is not led by God is indistinguishable from a religion in which God’s actions are hidden or unexplainable.

It’s much more likely Mormonism is not led by God or a prophet than it is God had a master plan which necessitated preventing black people from having the priesthood (which they had before the ban in some cases with no issues.)

And this is your right and privilege to think/believe this.

Brigham Young is the one you would have to sit down with and hash it out. Was he following God’s will or not?

That is the million dollar question.

Regards,
MG

And pope Linus. And pope Francis. And the apostle Paul. And Joel Osteen. And Jerry Falwell. And my local rabbi, Imam, and Buddhist monk.

There are many who claim to be following Gods will. Most of them, including Rusty, desperately need your money. Especially if you’re poor and have to choose between feeding your children and giving it to them.

You dismiss every non-Mormon who claims they speak for God without even investigating their claims. Why?

A lot of them have a lot better track record and evidence of miraculous leadership than anyone within Mormonism.

I think it’s simply because you have a preexisting belief in Mormonism which will be justified no matter the evidence for or against it. And that’s fine. Some people aren’t particularly bothered by having unjustified beliefs.

[MG 2.0]

You dismiss every non-Mormon who claims they speak for God without even investigating their claims. Why?

They don’t have the same message.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

I answered. I don't think God deceived those prophets, either.

Your turn.

And I don’t think God deceived modern prophets.

I didn’t realize that you were a Christian believer.

And I didn't realize that you were so ignorant of religion, in general, to think that only Christians believe in the divine callings of Isaiah, Moses, Abraham, and other Old Testament prophets--or that Jesus was the son of God?

I don't think God deceives anyone. I think we all have divine missions. That said, you're once again trying to change the subject.

The one thing that I'm arguing with is your assertion that God has no obligation to answer his prophets is, on the face of it, destructive to the whole idea of a good and just God.

[drumdude]

You dismiss every non-Mormon who claims they speak for God without even investigating their claims. Why?

They don’t have the same message.

Regards,
MG

What message is that?

[Morley]

Go back and reread my posts in this thread from the beginning. I’ve already answered/addressed your concerns. Read carefully for full comprehension.

I’m not trying to poke at you. I’m serious.

I’ve been down this road before. Don’t waste my time please.

I have read and re-read.

If it's so obvious, show me.