Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_wenglund]

Very interesting.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Whoa, Wade!

Your altering of my "test" to substitute harmony's name was quite a shock, especially coming from you.

I guess I'll be seeing you in hell.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Why would me changing the names in your post be shocking? I was testing the test.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_beastie]

Why would me changing the names in your post be shocking? I was testing the test.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

This is a good example of how something like this can fly under the radar screen. People didn't really notice this, did they? And yet, for all intents and purposes, Wade called Harmony the C word.

[_wenglund]

Wade, what the hell is wrong with you?

Consig asked you why you edited his response to read "harmony is a ...." and I don't see any reply from you yet.

I can't see anything in your limited understanding of parody, satire or rhyme and meter that would justify this. Please get a grip.

I was out of town for a few days and didn't have a chance to respond until now. See above, and then do your best to explain your bizarre reaction.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

This is a good example of how something like this can fly under the radar screen. People didn't really notice this, did they? And yet, for all intents and purposes, Wade called Harmony the C word.

Nope. I didn't use the "C" word. Consig did. I was performing my own test, and not surprisingly, you failed, and I am quite certain you don't even know how you failed.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_beastie]

Nope. I didn't use the "C" word. Consig did. I was performing my own test, and not surprisingly, you failed, and I am quite certain you don't even know how you failed.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Of course, Wade. You're so clever.

[_Kishkumen]

Of course, Wade. You're so clever.

LOL.

[_Kevin Graham]

Wade mastered technique #1 a long time ago...

[_wenglund]

A couple of questions:

1) There were three things that I was testing by changing Will's name to harmony in the quote from Consigs. Can you Identify one or more of them?

2) For those tossing around the Misogyny label, if posters here have some rather nasty things to say about Will, does that mean they are men haters? What if they also say many of the same nasty things about other men, like DCP, myself, Droopy, Nehor, etc? Does that make them men haters?

3) Finally, given what liz indicated about the extensive moderating of not only posts by Will, but Kevin Graham and others as well, what would you think if it were actually Kevin who used the "C" word, but in reference to Will, rather than Will in reference to harmony, which seems to me far more likely, and is what I recall (hint: this relates indirectly to question #1).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Yoda]

I never called you or anyone else specifically a "cad." I said that anyone who would not have some empathy for what harmony has been subjected to is a cad, and I stand by that completely. I guess that could apply to you "if the shoe fits," but I wouldn't know. I don't read every post you write on this forum and have scanned through this thread pretty quickly.

I'm bumping this up to address Eric's assertion that MsJack damaged her credibility by calling men cads. Jack was very clear in her statement. Anyone -man or woman - who would not have some empathy for what Harmony has been subjected to (at the hands of Will) is a cad. I agree. Will has said vile things to Harmony, completely outside the C-word incident. For heaven's sake, Will said being in the "circle jerk" here is the closest Harmony can get to sex, and her husband is a saint for not leaving her. Whether or not you agree with Harmony's views, or whether or not Harmony's moderation has made you angry in the past, you should feel some empathy for the treatment she has endured at Will's hands. And, frankly, "cad" is a very mild term compared to the terms Will has used.

Eric,

You mentioned that there was a huge difference with calling your grandmother the "c" word and calling just any woman the "c" word.

You also indicated that Harmony, because of her age and her status as a grandmother, should be resected as such, and not exposed to that type of name-calling. How is Will's "circle-jerk" remark any worse than the "c" word remark? I actually think it's worse!

Will whole-heartedly admits using the "circle jerk" comments with Harmony. He also made a further comment that he STILL feels sorry for her husband.

How do you feel about Will's behavior now? Has it stooped to the level of your expectation?

[_Eric]

Eric,

You mentioned that there was a huge difference with calling your grandmother the "c" word and calling just any woman the "c" word.

That's not what I said. I said that I don't use foul language of any kind in the presence of my grandmother, because of the respect I have for her both as a woman and an elder. I have a great amount of respect for my girlfriend too, but I don't avoid cursing in front of her in the same way. I never use the c-word. Ever.

You also indicated that Harmony, because of her age and her status as a grandmother, should be resected as such, and not exposed to that type of name-calling.

I don't recall saying anything like that, but I tend to agree with what you think I said. At least when it comes to words like the c-word and b-word.

How is Will's "circle-jerk" remark any worse than the "c" word remark? I actually think it's worse!

Thousands of pages ago on this thread (or at least it feels like that many), I clearly said that I was not interested in judging and commenting on everything Will has done in his lifetime, or on this board.

That being said, there is clearly a difference between the two terms as far as social taboos. The c-word, when used in the context of this now-infamous alleged incident, is probably about as socially unacceptable as the n-word.

How do you feel about Will's behavior now?

Would it really make you (and others here) feel better if I chastised Will for his behavior? My interest in this thread has been limited to:

1. Whether or not Will used the c-word towards harmony, which I'm convinced he didn't.

2. The moderation that took place on that thread (a moderator deleting a post that was personally offensive).

And more recently:

3. The implication that those who didn't make a declaration of hate towards Will for his behavior are "cads."

Has it stooped to the level of your expectation?

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Care to elaborate?