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Runtu wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:Why? Is there a connection? Apostate=sexual deviancy/prolificness? Sure seems to be an undercurrent of smuttiness among a number of you folks, if one also includes the impostors. Not just on this thread, but others too.

What's the deal?

Regards,
MG


OK, you got me. I suffer from Troy McClure syndrome.


Then you are suffering from:

Paraphilia (in Greek para παρά = besides and -philia φιλία = love)—in psychology and sexology, is a term that describes a family of persistent, intense fantasies, aberrant urges, or behaviors involving sexual arousal to nonhuman objects, pain or humiliation experienced by oneself or one's partner, children or other nonconsenting individuals or unsuitable partners. Paraphilias may interfere with the capacity for reciprocal affectionate sexual activity. [1] Paraphilia is also used to imply non-mainstream sexual practices without necessarily implying dysfunction or deviance (see Clinical warnings section). Also, it may describe sexual feelings toward otherwise non-sexual objects.


Is this right?

If so, this may be helpful:

Causes of Paraphilia Unclear
It is unclear what causes a paraphilia to develop. Psychoanalysts theorize that an individual with a paraphilia is repeating or reverting to a sexual habit that arose early in life. Behaviorists suggest that paraphilias begin through a process of conditioning. Nonsexual objects can become sexually arousing if they are repeatedly associated with pleasurable sexual activity. Or, particular sexual acts (such as peeping, exhibiting, bestiality) that provide especially intense erotic pleasure can lead the person to prefer that behavior. Although the origins of most paraphilias are not understood, in some cases there seems to be a predisposing factor such as difficulty forming person-to-person relationships.

Whatever the cause, paraphiliacs rarely seek treatment unless an arrest or discovery by a family member traps them into it. In most cases, the paraphilia results in such immense pleasure that giving it up is unthinkable. Treatment approaches have included traditional psychoanalysis, hypnosis, and behavior therapy techniques.

Research on the outcome of these therapies has been incomplete, but often they have not be very successful. More recently, a class of drugs called antiandrogens that drastically lower testosterone levels temporarily have been used in conjunction with these forms of treatment. The drug lowers the sex drive in males and reduces the frequency of mental imagery of sexually arousing scenes. This allows concentration on counseling without as strong a distraction from the paraphiliac urges. Increasingly, the evidence suggests that combining drug therapy with cognitive behavior therapy can be effective.


I suppose the question could be asked whether it is more likely or not that a person would fall prey to carnal desires to a greater degree when one leaves/jettisons one's religiousosity. I would think that it varies from individual to individual.

Best wishes,

MG
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Take the time to read this:


Thanks a bunch, MG. Just when I thought we were running out of things to mock, you offer up new material. This is awesome. Here are my favorite parts:


Peter B. Rawlins, “A Serious Look at Humor,” New Era, Aug 1974, 48

As with all gifts, however, humor can be misused and abused, and the Lord has seen fit to caution us in its use. We are counseled to live with “cheerful hearts and countenances,” but to avoid “much laughter, for this is sin.” (D&C 59: 15.)

Again, we are told to “cease from all … light speeches, from all laughter … and light-mindedness” (D&C 88:121) and to “cast away … your excess of laughter far from you” (D&C 88:69).


So does that make stand up comedians minions of Satan? Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock are definitley out. What about moderately funny comedians, like Bob Saget? Sometimes I chuckle at his stuff, but I never laugh loudly. Is he OK?

Loud laughter, light-mindedness, and flippancy often betray a state of mind that is lacking in seriousness.


Yeah, that's the point. We don't always have to be serious, do we?

“Empty levity,” as Brigham Young called it, detracts from the dignity of those who indulge in it to excess. Such people “have little sense, and know not the difference between a happy smile of satisfaction to cheer the countenance of a friend, or a contemptuous sneer that brings the curses of man upon man.” (Journal of Discourses 9:290.)


Brigham Young quotes in the JofD? That's the best you can do? Yawn.

A person given to such frivolity would find it difficult to follow the Lord’s counsel to “look unto me in every thought” (D&C 6:36)


Even when I'm, thinking about sex?

A key in judging the propriety of humor is given by Brigham Young, who seemed to approve of “joy and gladness that is full of meat and marrow, or, in other words, full of meaning and sense” as opposed to “vain” or meaningless laughter. (JD 9:290.)


More JofD quotes? Get back with me when that is canonized.

Closely akin to flippancy is irreverence. Making light of sacred things indicates a lack of affection for and faith in God. President McKay had much to say about reverence and often quoted John Ruskin, who said:

“Reverence is the noblest state in which a man can live in the world. Reverence is one of the signs of strength; irreverence, one of the surest indications of weakness. No man will rise high who jeers at sacred things. The fine loyalties of life must be reverenced or they will be foresworn in the day of trial.” (John Ruskin in David O. McKay, Man May Know for Himself [Deseret Book Co., 1967], p. 18.)


More quotes from non-official sources?

Irreverence differs from profanity and taking the name of the Lord in vain only in degree, not in quality. Carried to the extreme, this form of humor is manifest among those hardhearted people who speak contemptuously against the prophets of the Lord...

The weakening aspect of humor in the time of temptation is illustrated best in the area of dirty jokes, which relate to irreverence in that they make light of the sanctity of the body and the holy relationship of marriage. Humor hides a multitude of sins. Lust and perversion, for example, are normally shameful, but under the guise of humor, many people can laugh without blushing. Off-color stories are an effective tool in weakening a persons’s resistance to temptation, for virtue is one of those “fine loyalties of life” that “must be reverenced or they will be foresworn in the day of trial.” Even pure minds, when exposed to such filthiness, must struggle to avoid its recurring memory, and he who tempts another by exposing him to unclean stories must share in the guilt if the victim falls...

A most damaging form of humor is sarcasm...

Those who profess belief in Christ should shape their humor in the light of Christ’s teachings. Being rejected from His kingdom because of a warped sense of humor would not be funny...


Now this is a very funny talk, because obviously the person who gave it does not have a sense of humor and is dictating the type of humor Mormons should accept. I'm picturing a stiff guy in a business suit standing at a podium and giving this talk in the typical monotone voice. Classic. I feel bad for the poor Mormons who were probably guilted into a few months of "no comics, no comedies, and no jokes" in their house.
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KimberlyAnn wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:This is just a quick post to change the number of replies on this thread from 69 to 70. I'm doing my part to relieve MG of further discomfort. ;)

KA


by the way, KimberlyAnn, I'm assuming from the somewhat smutty comments you made in this thread that you're not married? Or if you are, your husband gets into the same kind of humor you do and would laugh at the contributions you made to this thread?

Regards,
MG


I've been married nearly seventeen years, MG. I was a good Mormon girl when I met and married my husband. Every smutty thing I know I've learned within the bonds of holy matrimony. :)

My husband knows I flirt with Bednar and he doesn't care in the least! He knows I don't mean a word of it. Bedme's a fake apostle, for goodness' sake! And yes, I think my pet name for Bednar is clever (I have low comedic standards) and told my husband about it back in the spring when I started posting here.

What does my husband think about it? He thinks it's mildly funny, but mostly, he thinks it's silly. He's never jealous, though. I keep my really smutty flirtations just for him! (Apologies to Mormon anti-dirty-talk crusader Wendy Watson...)

KA


It is important that you're both on the same page. Common appreciation for smutty sexual innuendo, etc.

Makes for marital harmony, I'm sure. Best wishes to you as you continue in your marriage.

Regards,
MG
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
Take the time to read this:


Thanks a bunch, MG. Just when I thought we were running out of things to mock, you offer up new material. This is awesome. Here are my favorite parts:


Peter B. Rawlins, “A Serious Look at Humor,” New Era, Aug 1974, 48

As with all gifts, however, humor can be misused and abused, and the Lord has seen fit to caution us in its use. We are counseled to live with “cheerful hearts and countenances,” but to avoid “much laughter, for this is sin.” (D&C 59: 15.)

Again, we are told to “cease from all … light speeches, from all laughter … and light-mindedness” (D&C 88:121) and to “cast away … your excess of laughter far from you” (D&C 88:69).


So does that make stand up comedians minions of Satan? Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock are definitley out. What about moderately funny comedians, like Bob Saget? Sometimes I chuckle at his stuff, but I never laugh loudly. Is he OK?

Loud laughter, light-mindedness, and flippancy often betray a state of mind that is lacking in seriousness.


Yeah, that's the point. We don't always have to be serious, do we?

“Empty levity,” as Brigham Young called it, detracts from the dignity of those who indulge in it to excess. Such people “have little sense, and know not the difference between a happy smile of satisfaction to cheer the countenance of a friend, or a contemptuous sneer that brings the curses of man upon man.” (Journal of Discourses 9:290.)


Brigham Young quotes in the JofD? That's the best you can do? Yawn.

A person given to such frivolity would find it difficult to follow the Lord’s counsel to “look unto me in every thought” (D&C 6:36)


Even when I'm, thinking about sex?

A key in judging the propriety of humor is given by Brigham Young, who seemed to approve of “joy and gladness that is full of meat and marrow, or, in other words, full of meaning and sense” as opposed to “vain” or meaningless laughter. (JD 9:290.)


More JofD quotes? Get back with me when that is canonized.

Closely akin to flippancy is irreverence. Making light of sacred things indicates a lack of affection for and faith in God. President McKay had much to say about reverence and often quoted John Ruskin, who said:

“Reverence is the noblest state in which a man can live in the world. Reverence is one of the signs of strength; irreverence, one of the surest indications of weakness. No man will rise high who jeers at sacred things. The fine loyalties of life must be reverenced or they will be foresworn in the day of trial.” (John Ruskin in David O. McKay, Man May Know for Himself [Deseret Book Co., 1967], p. 18.)


More quotes from non-official sources?

Irreverence differs from profanity and taking the name of the Lord in vain only in degree, not in quality. Carried to the extreme, this form of humor is manifest among those hardhearted people who speak contemptuously against the prophets of the Lord...

The weakening aspect of humor in the time of temptation is illustrated best in the area of dirty jokes, which relate to irreverence in that they make light of the sanctity of the body and the holy relationship of marriage. Humor hides a multitude of sins. Lust and perversion, for example, are normally shameful, but under the guise of humor, many people can laugh without blushing. Off-color stories are an effective tool in weakening a persons’s resistance to temptation, for virtue is one of those “fine loyalties of life” that “must be reverenced or they will be foresworn in the day of trial.” Even pure minds, when exposed to such filthiness, must struggle to avoid its recurring memory, and he who tempts another by exposing him to unclean stories must share in the guilt if the victim falls...

A most damaging form of humor is sarcasm...

Those who profess belief in Christ should shape their humor in the light of Christ’s teachings. Being rejected from His kingdom because of a warped sense of humor would not be funny...


Now this is a very funny talk, because obviously the person who gave it does not have a sense of humor and is dictating the type of humor Mormons should accept. I'm picturing a stiff guy in a business suit standing at a podium and giving this talk in the typical monotone voice. Classic. I feel bad for the poor Mormons who were probably guilted into a few months of "no comics, no comedies, and no jokes" in their house.


As I said earlier:

Meaningful?

Probably not.

Oh well.


I will leave it there except to mention that when all is said and done it becomes a personal decision/choice as to what one considers to be humorous/funny. This talk that I quoted is merely a guide along that path. Best wishes as you choose to engage yourself in that which you deem to be funny/humorous.

Regards,
MG
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Elder Bednar, Elder Monson, and Elder Packer,

Thank you for your wise words. Enjoy conference tomorrow and Sunday! We'll look forward to hearing from you.

Regards,
MG
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mentalgymnast wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:This is just a quick post to change the number of replies on this thread from 69 to 70. I'm doing my part to relieve MG of further discomfort. ;)

KA


by the way, KimberlyAnn, I'm assuming from the somewhat smutty comments you made in this thread that you're not married? Or if you are, your husband gets into the same kind of humor you do and would laugh at the contributions you made to this thread?

Regards,
MG


I've been married nearly seventeen years, MG. I was a good Mormon girl when I met and married my husband. Every smutty thing I know I've learned within the bonds of holy matrimony. :)

My husband knows I flirt with Bednar and he doesn't care in the least! He knows I don't mean a word of it. Bedme's a fake apostle, for goodness' sake! And yes, I think my pet name for Bednar is clever (I have low comedic standards) and told my husband about it back in the spring when I started posting here.

What does my husband think about it? He thinks it's mildly funny, but mostly, he thinks it's silly. He's never jealous, though. I keep my really smutty flirtations just for him! (Apologies to Mormon anti-dirty-talk crusader Wendy Watson...)

KA


It is important that you're both on the same page. Common appreciation for smutty sexual innuendo, etc.

Makes for marital harmony, I'm sure. Best wishes to you as you continue in your marriage.

Regards,
MG


Take a look at this:

http://www.flashfunpages.com/couple.swf

Regards,
MG
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Humor: one more thing for the church to control.

I wish they'd worry about something important for a change... like war.
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harmony wrote:Humor: one more thing for the church to control.

I wish they'd worry about something important for a change... like war.


You're saying they don't worry about it?

Regards,
MG
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mentalgymnast wrote:
harmony wrote:Humor: one more thing for the church to control.

I wish they'd worry about something important for a change... like war.


You're saying they don't worry about it?

Regards,
MG


They've talked about war? When?
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Post by _mentalgymnast »

harmony wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
harmony wrote:Humor: one more thing for the church to control.

I wish they'd worry about something important for a change... like war.


You're saying they don't worry about it?

Regards,
MG


They've talked about war? When?


Didn't say that. Again, you're saying they don't worry about it?

Regards,
MG
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