Mormon forum lights up over California gay change

[_Sethbag]

Dart - many, if not most, heterosexuals like to participate in activities where the man sticks his penis (where his pee comes out) into the other person's mouth, ejaculates, and the other person (wife, girlfriend, whatever) then swallows the semen. The women like it when a man licks her clitoris, which is like an inch from where her pee comes out, and three inches from where her excrement comes out. How is being graphic like this about heterosexual sex any less shocking or even disconcerting when told to a child, than is a description of homosexual sex?

The thing is, you can't demonstrate that homosexuality is wrong because some child might be freaked out about it if they were told, in graphic detail, what goes on in the gay bedroom. There's a good reason why most parents shield their children from the details of sex until they're older. And when people are older, they can presumably deal with it, or learn to deal with it.

The aversion that you and I probably both feel for the idea of two men getting it on doesn't prove anything about the inherent rightness or wrongness of homosexuality.

And the bottom line is that the homosexuals seem to be OK with it, and they're the ones marrying each other. Nobody's forcing you to divorce your wife and go marry some gay dude.

I really think the religious zealots ought to calm down, learn to deal with the fact that some people aren't like them, and content themselves with the idea that if God is so seriously pissed off at homosexuals, it'll be up to him, personally (not through his self-appointed human deputies), to take care of it.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

TD talks about how children are under pressure for feeling persecuted for being different. Hell, giving a kid two daddy's is only guaranteeing that psychological pitfall. How much more will the kid be ridiculed at school, even if he isn't gay, his parents are!

This same excuse ("think how the kids will be made fun of!") was often used to discourage interracial marriage.

[_asbestosman]

I really think the religious zealots ought to calm down, learn to deal with the fact that some people aren't like them, and content themselves with the idea that if God is so seriously pissed off at homosexuals, it'll be up to him, personally (not through his self-appointed human deputies), to take care of it.

What do you think about the possibility that God will punish gays by changing the gender of one of the two lovers? ;)

[_moksha]

I notice many of my fellow Mormons have been reacting quite negatively, at MAD and LDS Net, to the news
that the California Supreme Court has struck down the ban on Homosexual marriages in that state.
Frankly I am somewhat surprised at their anger. You would think that Richard Nixon had been impeached
all over again.

It really concerned me, that one poster even suggested there should be an earthquake coming in San Francisco.
Why such a reaction? The Church will not be forced to recognize such marriages and Utah is still free to put up
Gay-Free Marriage Zone poster at their borders.

I even suggested on another board, that the Church could hold a protest parade on Haight Street in San Francisco
if it would help them regain their sense of equilibrium.

My biggest problem with this is that four judges over rode the vote of the people. This seems flat out wrong. I imagine a referendum on adding something to define marriage to the state Constitution is next for those opposing this.

I here you about that referendum. However, can the majority really vote away the rights of others? I think that might be
an answer for this concern.

[_moksha]

[_Mister Scratch]

My wife is a child psychologist and she has to deal with kids feeling discriminated against for a wide variety of reasons, some of which deal with the parents. Last night I was watching another "reality show" and I don't know what it was called, but I saw enough of it to realize the mother was a former model and playboy pinup. Even though she was in her 50's, she was always dressing in tight shorts as if she were in her 20's. Her daughter was always embarrassed to be seen in public with her. Now assume she had to deal with two fathers. You don't seem to understand or appreciate the impact these kinds fo things have on children... unless of course they are gay children.

I cannot recall the name of the study (perhaps I will look it up later), but the largest sociological study done on the effects that gay parents have on children revealed some interesting results. (by the way: the study focused almost entirely--IIRC--on children being raised by two lesbian mothers.) What the study demonstrated is that the children raised by lesbian mothers are (arguably) better off in some respects. For example, boys tend to be less violent and aggressive, and girls tend to be less hamstrung by "traditional female roles." On the other hand, the study also showed that these kids, as they grew older, tended to be more tolerant of and willing to experiment with same-sex attraction.

I'm not altogether sure what you're arguing here, Kevin.... Are you saying that gays should be prevented from adopting, or that the children of gay parents are somehow worse off than the child of the ex-Playboy pinup you adduced above?

[_beastie]

How would any study into the psychological effects of being gay control for the fact that social disapproval, prejudice, and sometimes persecution, can reasonably be assumed to cause negative effects?

by the way, Kevin, we're all dying to hear how your kids reacted when you told them they are the product of your semen coming out of your pee-pee hole and into your wife's vagina. Deeeesgusting.

If what really offends you is anal sex, then you're going to have to be less sloppy and condemn the many heterosexuals who also engage in the practice.

[_Some Schmo]

This is some of the funniest s*** I've read in a long time. Genius. Sorry for my irrelevant post...just trying to get to 1000. Oh, my high school best friend's mom is lesbian. He turned out okay. That's all.

It wasn't irrelevant at all. I can completely relate.

Yeah, homosexuality is the fear of homosexuals... LOL. So much for darte's English comprehension.

I imagine most people would readily agree that it refers to a fear of homosexuality (something darte's demonstrated in this thread in spades), not the gay people themselves.

I wonder how traumatized my daughter will be when she finds out that I put my penis in the same place where her mother's urine comes out. Oh, the horror! Poor girl... she'll never be the same.

[_asbestosman]

I wonder how traumatized my daughter will be when she finds out that I put my penis in the same place where her mother's urine comes out.

???

I'm surprised it fits.

I'm also surprised that you apparently managed to have children that way.

;)

[_Some Schmo]

I wonder how traumatized my daughter will be when she finds out that I put my penis in the same place where her mother's urine comes out.

???

I'm surprised it fits.

I'm also surprised that you apparently managed to have children that way.

;)

Yes, yes, I realize the difference, but I don't think the distinction will be something on which my daughter will focus. The fact is, both holes are in the same place.

(I was thinking about this and wondering if someone would point it out... ya crazy bastard).

heh heh