The Mormon Gulag

[_Inconceivable]

Anyone else notice how the less honorable Mormons like DCP and BCspace seem to be here for damage control. Now that is something to "lol" over.

..And it has precious little to do with Mormonism, as such, either.

This is Damage Control. You know exactly what you are doing. Your methods are a deceipt.

If someone wants to argue with you that alleged abuse at the Boys Ranch has little to do with your rose colored definition of Mormonism, you have now redirected the discussion. If you are successful in your scheme, the abuse can continue.

Let the truth come out and don't be such a dirtbag. Attempt to make the world a better place before Jesus comes for you, Dan.

[_marg]

Is there a piece wherein, youth are given the opportunity to take part in community service either interacting with people in the community or restoring the natural environment?

Ya I think I read on the web-site they ran a dry-cleaing or laundry service. Did you ever see the movie the Magdalen Sisters?

in my opinion this is an organization in which absolute power has corrupted them.

[_Inconceivable]

I haven't waded through the two websites (GoodK's and the Ranch)...

Jersey Girl,

It takes about 10 minutes to wade through GoodK's site - the topic.

Why don't you stop typing for a sec and get informed.

(for another discussion - "the reason why there are only about 25 regular posters on MD where hundreds or thousands glance and go somewhere else".)

[_Jersey Girl]

Is there a piece wherein, youth are given the opportunity to take part in community service either interacting with people in the community or restoring the natural environment?

Ya I think I read on the web-site they ran a dry-cleaing or laundry service. Did you ever see the movie the Magdalen Sisters?

in my opinion this is an organization in which absolute power has corrupted them.

Running a business is not quite what I was thinking about. I was thinking about personal investment in others or in the environment. For example, working with children or the elderly or perhaps park renewal.

Not having read further (and I won't get to it today) that could easily be part of the program.

I also want to find out what part of this program gives youth a chance to "commune" with nature and relieve stress.

On the surface, it looks like stress induction (not re-duction) is inflicted on youth at this camp.

I should study further. Just voicing my concerns.

[_Jersey Girl]

I haven't waded through the two websites (GoodK's and the Ranch)...

Jersey Girl,

It takes about 10 minutes to wade through GoodK's site - the topic.

Why don't you stop typing for a sec and get informed.

(for another discussion - "the reason why there are only about 25 regular posters on MD where hundreds or thousands glance and go somewhere else".)

GoodK's website is incomplete. I want mainly to examine the Westridge website. That's where the program objectives and methods are outlined.

If you don't like my time management choices, feel free to kiss my ass.

[_Gazelam]

GoodK,

What was your relationship like at home that brought things to such a head? Was your real fathers leaving (or death) pretty rough on you? Did oyu hate your new dad and get in alot of fights with him? Why did this place seem to be such a great fix in your parents eyes?

Also, what exactly was the abuse? Was it strictly physical, and when you say physical was this beyond the dicipline needed to maintain order?

Also what sexual abuse went on? Weird bully kids abusing roomates? Or was the staff somehow involved?

thanks
Gaz

[_Jersey Girl]

Gaz

Also, what exactly was the abuse? Was it strictly physical, and when you say physical was this beyond the dicipline needed to maintain order?

Also what sexual abuse went on? Weird bully kids abusing roomates? Or was the staff somehow involved?

Gaz,

There are three entries in the "Horror Stories" section there. The first one is incomplete so far as I can tell. The remaining entries indicate untreated mental illness and sexually aberrant behavior on the part of youth there, youth/youth infractions.

[_Yoda]

BC, you're an ass. Not that we didn't know that already, but you continue to demonstrate your ass-ness on this thread.

What I want to know is, how did GoodK rebuild his relationship with his mother and stepfather? What happened that made that possible? Because this boys ranch experience would seem like a deal breaker to me.

Yes, we discussed this earlier on another thread. BC seems to have an acute case of ass-ism when it comes to his dealing with any posters who remotely criticize the Church, or, even worse, BC's point of view.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is a cure for BC's condition.

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

yeh, I read those. There was some story about gettign a kid undressed in a rough manner, and some reference to a deranged kid sexually abusing another kid. I thought I read some reference to a worker there messing with a kid as well.

Just digging for more detail is all.

I read about the russian kids. Theres a ton of material on how messed up kids adopted from russia are. Severe child abandonment and abuse takes place over there. Thousands of kids in orphanages with little to no adult contact. rows upon rows of babies in cribs with minimal contact and care. nightmarish.

And then these desperate Mormon families who want children get these kids from those hell holes and they are really screwed up.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey,

yeh, I read those. There was some story about gettign a kid undressed in a rough manner, and some reference to a deranged kid sexually abusing another kid. I thought I read some reference to a worker there messing with a kid as well.

Just digging for more detail is all.

I read about the russian kids. Theres a ton of material on how messed up kids adopted from russia are. Severe child abandonment and abuse takes place over there. Thousands of kids in orphanages with little to no adult contact. rows upon rows of babies in cribs with minimal contact and care. nightmarish.

And then these desperate Mormon families who want children get these kids from those hell holes and they are really screwed up.

I know all too well, the conditions that foreign adoptees are subjected to as the result of abuse/neglect,inadequate caregiver:child ratios, impoverished living conditions, lack of funding in foreign orphanages and resulting disorders that are the product of such. I've taught and mainstreamed them, Gaz. I've also served parents who adopted children with attachment disorders completely unaware of the impact to the child and long range impact to their adoptive family. In some orphanges, children are released to live on the street at, I believe, age 13 o 14 and left to fend for themselves from that point on because the system that took them in and could not afford to meet their needs, spits them right back out again. I've seen hoarding behaviors, attachment disorders, untreated physical conditions misdiagnosed as mental illness (Russia and Romania) and fortunately, fully healthy and retrievable children whose adoptions in most cases, originated in China.

This is part of the reason I suspend judgement on this topic. I know what some possible contributory factors are and how hard it is to build a solid case in that regard. None of us are in a position to judge and if anyone thinks they are able to judge based on their emotional reaction or dislike of the Mormon Church, religion or culture, they're simply deceiving themselves.

I'm not seeing (so far) much in the Horror Stories that I couldn't challege from a Devil's Advocate perspective. GoodK needs to tighten up on those accounts because if I can pick them apart, so can anyone else who wants to hear out this case.

Perhaps later, I'll challenge one on this thread to demonstrate.