gramps wrote:Cheers, Will. Glad you got to take that bath finally.
Not as glad as my wife was. She's not into the "squeaky clean" feel by any means, but I'd probably taken things a bit far.
I hope things are going well back in the Fatherland.
Yeah, I don't like those women who need things 'squeaky clean,' either. But, I am sure she was happy. Hopefully, it was in a bath together, or in one of those dual shower thingies. No fun getting all clean alone, you know.
Anyway, why so 'aggressive' these days? Just sick and tired of ex-Mormons? Tough days on the home front? Hope the horses are well, at least.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
karl61 wrote:No - another guy who is no longer alive - Oriental Institute - University of Chicago.
Klaus Baer?
Are you under the impression that he had anything to say about the translation of the Book of Abraham? If so, you'd be wrong.
Listen, karl, let me give you some advice: stay out of this one. You're in way over your head. As usual.
... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...
gramps wrote:.. why so 'aggressive' these days? Just sick and tired of ex-Mormons? Tough days on the home front? Hope the horses are well, at least.
Come now. You should know me better by now. It's all just sport. And besides, I've always been this way. Nothing's different now. I'm sitting here with a grin on my face and a bounce in my fingers as they crank out word after aggressive word on my clickety-click keyboard.
... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...
People here who haven't read John Gee's publications for non-Mormon audiences and haven't heard John Gee's presentations to non-Mormon audiences know -- somehow -- that those publications and presentations have no connection to the Book of Abraham.
It's a miracle.
Those of us who have read and seen these materials say that they do have connections with the Book of Abraham. So we're lying, or being coy, or hiding things, or failing to do the research for the non-readers here, or blustering, or attempting misdirection, or just generally being the bad people that the non-readers here somehow know we are.
Daniel Peterson wrote:People here who haven't read John Gee's publications for non-Mormon audiences and haven't heard John Gee's presentations to non-Mormon audiences know -- somehow -- that those publications and presentations have no connection to the Book of Abraham.
I have read as much of Gee's non-Mormon related publications as I've been able to find. There is nothing in any of it that explicitly supports LDS truth claims about the Book of Abraham.
Daniel Peterson wrote:It doesn't have to do so explicitly. Sectarian apologetics are unwelcome in mainstream academia, and for very good reason.
The important thing is that he's working out important issues and principles before non-LDS experts, and with their evident approval.
I seem to recall the Nibley argued that the Abrahamic stuff was secretly written on the Breathing Permit in such a way that all of modern Egyptology missed, save Gee and Nibley? I guess you are arguing that Gee is doing the same with with his scholarly stuff? He is secretly interweaving Mormon doctrine into scholarly journals such that only the initiated can recognize? You guys must be giggling like school girls to get away with that one! "Metcalfe is Butthead" nothing!
Sorry, that was a little glib. I'll admit, I haven't read any of Gee's non-apologetic writing. Maybe you could help a brother out and point out where, in a peer reviewed journal, Gee has secreted in Smith's stuff.
Daniel Peterson wrote:The important thing is that he's working out important issues and principles before non-LDS experts, and with their evident approval.
Sir,
Regarding?
Very Respectfully,
Doctor CamNC4Me
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
John Larsen wrote:Sorry, that was a little glib. I'll admit, I haven't read any of Gee's non-apologetic writing. Maybe you could help a brother out and point out where, in a peer reviewed journal, Gee has secreted in Smith's stuff.
Seriously, I'm calling your bluff.
Sorry, but I don't have these articles at my fingertips and, quite seriously, am just not going to devote myself to compiling some sort of annotated bibliography for you. I supplied a list of some of his publications. It's up on Wikipedia. It includes articles in both peer-reviewed LDS and peer-reviewed non-LDS publications.
Somebody who knows the Book of Abraham and the issues surrounding it will have little if any problem, when reading some of Professor Gee's materials, recognizing when he's addressing those issues. It's pretty obvious. And he does it quite regularly.
