Show me a religious organization without a sordid past

[_moksha]

Atheism is not a belief system. A lack of belief in any deity is not a system of belief. Again your faulty logic is trying to get people to quit exposing the problems of LDS. :)

However, there is nothing to keep us from focusing on the West Desert Aliens and how through their many layers of continued tunneling underneath the streets of Salt Lake City, they have exposed the residents to an impending cataclysm if a large enough earthquake occurs. It could rattle the shutters all the way to Malad, Idaho.

[Guest]

I believe the point to Simon's thread is that you should ignore the frailties of the people involved and look instead at the purity of the Church's doctrines and teachings.

Hmmm,

Mormon Doctrine and Teachings:
Blacks are bad
Whites shouldn't marry blacks
Gays are bad
It's okay to behead a drunken comatose man if God tells you it's okay
Polygamy is 'abominable'
Polygamy is 'celestial marriage'
The plates were translated with the Urim & Thummim
The plates were translated with a seer stone and a hat

You can find all this and more on LDS.org

I agree with Simon, look at the teachings and doctrine and then you will KNOW it's all hokey...

[_sock puppet]

These recent attacks on Joseph are very unbecoming.

They aren't recent. My contempt for the poster Joseph spans time and space.

How many here of alternate belief systems maintain the dogmatic position that his/her beliefs represent the one true way?

Tarski, MrStak, Sock Puppet, EAllusion, Spurven ten Sing, and the other atheists.

I, sir, am an apatheist.

[_Hoops]

How many here of alternate belief systems maintain the dogmatic position that his/her beliefs represent the one true way?

If you mean Christianity, then count me as one. If you mean low-church protestantism, or even protestantism in general, then no.

Of course, you didn't explain where "to what" is, so I may have to modify my answer.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

That's an oversimplification. What I am trying to say is that, while most here relentlessly criticize the Latter-day Saints, they fail to realize that their own belief system (including atheism) is just as problematic. So how are they justified in only criticizing someone else's belief system?

Mr.BM,
What is problematic about atheism? It explains everything and in morally neutral. List something.

[_malkie]

So-- what you're trying to say is, "Latter-day Saints are no worse than any other religion." Do I have that right? Or am I misreading you?

That's an oversimplification. What I am trying to say is that, while most here relentlessly criticize the Latter-day Saints, they fail to realize that their own belief system (including atheism) is just as problematic. So how are they justified in only criticizing someone else's belief system?


Edit: Also what Moshka and ABMan said. I don't believe it lessens our own problems.

If you believe what you are trying to say, should you not refrain from criticising someone else's belief system? IOr do only Latter-day Saints (commonly known as Mormons!) get to criticise someone else's belief system?

[_Yoda]

Will you denounce the Book of Mormon for teaching racism in that it teaches God turned folks Black as a sign of a curse?

CFR

[_sock puppet]

So-- what you're trying to say is, "Latter-day Saints are no worse than any other religion." Do I have that right? Or am I misreading you?

That's an oversimplification. What I am trying to say is that, while most here relentlessly criticize the Latter-day Saints, they fail to realize that their own belief system (including atheism) is just as problematic. So how are they justified in only criticizing someone else's belief system?


Edit: Also what Moshka and ABMan said. I don't believe it lessens our own problems.

If you believe what you are trying to say, should you not refrain from criticising someone else's belief system? IOr do only Latter-day Saints (commonly known as Mormons!) get to criticise someone else's belief system?

Oh, Malkie, Simon detests when someone points out that his methods are those he decries others for using.

[_just me]

Will you denounce the Book of Mormon for teaching racism in that it teaches God turned folks Black as a sign of a curse?

CFR

2 Nephi 5:21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

[_Quasimodo]

So show me a religious organization without a sordid history.

With the possible exception of Buddhism (if in fact that is a religion rather than a philosophy), they all have things to answer for. All Christian religions are spin offs of the Roman Catholic Church (with some very minor exceptions) even the Mormons... sorry, I should say LDS.

Saying the LDS are no worse than the others is very faint praise. My view would be that they are "just as bad".