Shut Your Mouth and Fake It

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_just me
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Re: Shut Your Mouth and Fake It

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why me wrote:
just me wrote:
Being christian is not authentic living for everyone. Being christian is not best done in Mormonism for all people. Mormonism is a whole hell of a lot more involved than following the New Testament.



The early christians at the time of peter, james and paul were all about living authentically according to the teachings of Christ. They separated themselves from the authenticity of the pagans and chose a different path. Both groups were living authentically according to their beliefs. But what side was more correct? Many pagens found chritian authenticity quite attractive and they joined the christians. Some christians however returned back to paganism and its own version of authenticity.

How many christians at the time of Paul were faking it to preserve their marriage? Who knows...maybe a few.


Whoa, wait. You mean people who are not Christian or Mormon can live authentically??? Without ass tats and drunken parties?????

Next you'll be telling us that authenticity comes from within and not following a prescribed path.
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harmony wrote:The problem for me is not the mask I have to wear. The problem for me is, I love what this church could BE, and I have real problems with what it currently IS. I've shared some of my problems with the church with my family and my local leadership, but I don't think they understand the depth of my pain.

They expect to see me wearing the mask, because that's what I've done for so long. They would not understand if I took the mask off. And they... all of them, but some more than others... are important to me.

They see and love what IS. I wish for something more... and I'm beginning to think I won't live to see that "more". Even if I allowed my wishes to be the biggest part of my life, I doubt there will be "more" in my lifetime, so there is no point in unmasking.


AMEN, Harmony! You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly where I am coming from as well.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:I'm very happy to hear it.

I don't think that disputed academic theories should be taught in church.


That's the great thing about this "disputed" word that Dr. Peterson is using. He's implying that there is some serious debate on the matter by saying it's disputed. There isn't. But he's technically correct in the sense that the church has managed to dredge up a few cranks pedaling faith-promoting fringe theories, disputing the scholarly consensus. Again, this hearkens back to the efforts of the Discovery Institute. You can always find a few crackpots (such as those employed by FARMS) willing to "dispute" credible scholarship. Then you can come on a message board and say it's "disputed" and pretend like you've just said something meaningful.
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just me wrote:.... Without ass tats and drunken parties?????

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Oh maaan!
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just me wrote:Runtu, that gets me thinking.

We aren't really taught to live an authentic life, let alone how to do it. That makes it even harder. We have been taught all our lives to follow a prescribed path that is supposed to work for everyone.


To expand on this.

I was given a path to follow. I was taught to follow the prophet. I was taught to automatically go with whatever came from the pulpit. Don't date until 16, don't have sexual experiences until marriage, don't drink coffee, don't break the WoW, don't wear a bikini, don't make the boys think about sex, don't get a tattoo, don't get a second piercing, go to church, attend meetings, don't cuss, don't watch R movies, pay tithing, go to seminary, etc, etc.

Beyond that I was taught to make the temple my main goal in life. I was taught that the steps in my life should go like this: graduate high school, look for a worthy ph holder to take me to the temple while going to college, get married quickly to avoid sin, put my husbands schooling and career before mine, don't wait to have children, be a stay-at-home mom, be a good wife/mother/homemaker, serve in the church, endure to the end. (that is a very simplified version of what the teachings/culture impressed upon me)

So that is what I did. I have been unhappy my entire adult life because of it. Always trying to be perfect and measure up to an ideal that simply was not authentic for me. I didn't even know it. I thought if I just could get more perfect I would become happy. I was taught that if I wasn't happy it was pretty much my own damn fault for not following the path the right way. I was very good at following the Mormon path, actually. But, in the Mormon world there is always room for improvement. You are never good enough.

For *ME* it is not authentic to continue down the prescribed Mormon path. That doesn't mean that being authentic is doing everything opposite.

Probably the biggest change for me has been to disconinue wearing the garment of the holy priesthood. It was no longer congruent with my beliefs. Despite what some members might think, wearing normal underwear is not evil or wrong.

For me, it would be more authentic to go dance at a drum circle in the sun on a Sunday morning than sit in 3 hours of Mormon meetings.

My ass is still tat free. My body will remain so, I hate needles. I probably won't be getting a second ear pierce, either. However, there is nothing WRONG or evil about getting a tattoo or piercing.
I won't ever, probably, drink coffee. I hate the smell and I don't handle caffeine well. There is nothing wrong or evil with drinking it, though.
I might drink green tea once a month or so. Who cares? My TBM parents drink green tea sometimes (blended with white!)
I have never been drunk and don't plan to ever become so. Who cares? Joseph Smith drank alcohol and so did Jesus.
I have never had sex outside my marriage and won't start doing that now. However, if single people wanna have sex with eachother, who cares? That doesn't make them bad or evil. Heck, most of my TBM friends and family had sex outside of marriage.

In the end, I think it is sad that what believers worry about most is *not* that the unbeliever will start to steal or kill or commit suicide. What they worry about most is that they will get an ass tattoo.

Just wow.
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Buffalo wrote:. . . [NO SUBSTANCE, JUST AD HOMINEMS] . . .

Impressive!
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Daniel Peterson wrote:. . . [NO SUBSTANCE, JUST ENDLESS EVASIONS AND DECEPTIVE, SELF-SERVING RHETORIC] . . .



Not impressive.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Buffalo wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:. . . [NO SUBSTANCE, JUST ENDLESS EVASIONS AND DECEPTIVE, SELF-SERVING RHETORIC] . . .



Not impressive.



Buff, I do believe you've just summarised the world of Mopologetics into one, rolls - off - the - tongue, easy sentence.
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Who is Chip?
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Re: Shut Your Mouth and Fake It

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jon wrote:
Buff, I do believe you've just summarised the world of Mopologetics into one, rolls - off - the - tongue, easy sentence.


Thanks! In a former life I was a 1950s-era jingle writer.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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