You've lost the argument, totally. If you don't believe me then step into a time machine and go back and tell President Brigham Young to stop teaching racist things to the saints. Go back and correct your dead prophet.
Then come back and report.
Paul O
Well we can all step into a time machine and see people living in their moment. But that has nothing to do with Just Me's OP. She was wrong to remain silent. But when one is taking pleasure in someone's comments as a pretext to find fault with the LDS church, well...we can understand her intent. I see nothing in the manual about what the teacher spoke about.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Blixa wrote: I doubt many (or any) of the women justme described are conscious racists; they are merely retelling the basic faith promoting stories of LDS Lamanite lore, a lore that is built into the religion via the mythos of the Book of Mormon. While the Lamanite placement program has been discontinued, and Mormon leaders and apologists are delicately reworking the meaning of the term "Lamanite" itself, this lore continues to circulate and probably will continue to unless more drastic changes are made.
And as long as Mormons like just me remain silent, the lore will remain. But then again, just me is usually silent in class except here on this forum where she can be unknown.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me, this is a Mormon discussion board and I will continue to come here to discuss all things Mormon for as long as I like. No, I will not start causing disruptions in church when I attend regardless of your bizzare obsession with ripe tomatoes.
The quote from the MANUAL is racist. Do you have any suggestions on how we can go about getting it removed...from the brand new manual? Especially since we aren't allowed to contact the bigwigs in their tower in Salt Lake City.
Oh snap! Just remembered that the racism is also in the Book of Mormon. I don't suppose I'll have much luck getting that removed or getting people to agree with me that we should stop teaching it because it is racist. Damn.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote:why me, this is a Mormon discussion board and I will continue to come here to discuss all things Mormon for as long as I like. No, I will not start causing disruptions in church when I attend regardless of your bizzare obsession with ripe tomatoes.
The quote from the MANUAL is racist. Do you have any suggestions on how we can go about getting it removed...from the brand new manual? Especially since we aren't allowed to contact the bigwigs in their tower in Salt Lake City.
I don't think that it is racist. My problem with you is that you remained silent. You could have made a good comment in class to dispel what was said. But you didn't. Why?
I am sure that you are a great looking tomato. :=)
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote: And as long as Mormons like just me remain silent, the lore will remain. But then again, just me is usually silent in class except here on this forum where she can be unknown.
She's hardly unknown to us, here. Thank the gods that there are outlets like this forum, where just me can feel that it's safe to speak. By speaking here, she encourages dialogue and self-reflection. You can hardly fault that, why me.
Currently the Church's young men aged 12 - 18 are taught that they should marry someone from ''...the same race generally...''. This teaching is still in an official Church manual.
Racists teachings are wrong. The Church is wrong to teach this.
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
just me wrote:Story told today about a "Lamanite" family (South American) who had 9 children. Well, lo and behold each child born after they joined the church was "lighter" than the last until their youngest was born looking "white."
So was the teller suggesting that the visiting missionaries were doing more that just visiting? Was the last missionary a pale blond by any chance?
ROTFLMFAO!!
And with that, we've all gotten to the bottom of this story.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
why me wrote: And as long as Mormons like just me remain silent, the lore will remain. But then again, just me is usually silent in class except here on this forum where she can be unknown.
She's hardly unknown to us, here. Thank the gods that there are outlets like this forum, where just me can feel that it's safe to speak. By speaking here, she encourages dialogue and self-reflection. You can hardly fault that, why me.
What the hell am I saying? Of course you will.
I don't fault her at all for posting her OP. However, this is what I can fault her for: she just sat there and said nothing. And she certainly could have said something. She didn't need to sound confrontational or controversial. She could have just made a comment to this effect: are you sure that they were becoming physically whiter because that sounds a little strange or racist. Maybe they began to live a more purer life but their skon color certainly did not change.
No problem.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
You've lost the argument, totally. If you don't believe me then step into a time machine and go back and tell President Brigham Young to stop teaching racist things to the saints. Go back and correct your dead prophet.
Then come back and report.
Paul O
Well we can all step into a time machine and see people living in their moment. But that has nothing to do with Just Me's OP. She was wrong to remain silent. But when one is taking pleasure in someone's comments as a pretext to find fault with the LDS church, well...we can understand her intent. I see nothing in the manual about what the teacher spoke about.
So, Brigham lived in his "moment" -- kind of like being in the Dark Ages when man was so unenlightened by science & art and social understandings. So, you'd just give Brigham a free pass because after all he's a product of his time and such a one cannot be properly taught by an underling. Or perhaps you'd be afraid to correct him because you know that he'd excommunicate you for talking down to the Lord's anointed.
Good one, Why Me -- you are such a saint in your own time.
why me wrote: I don't fault her at all for posting her OP. However, this is what I can fault her for: she just sat there and said nothing. And she certainly could have said something. She didn't need to sound confrontational or controversial. She could have just made a comment to this effect: are you sure that they were becoming physically whiter because that sounds a little strange or racist. Maybe they began to live a more purer life but their skon color certainly did not change.
No problem.
Why Me,
You are being a hypocrite, faulting someone for not speaking up in Church when you yourself are too cowardly to even attend. Grow a pair, get back to Church and start sticking your hand up in lessons - then come back and tell us all how easy it was.
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.