LDSToronto wrote: Do it on your own terms, quark. One of the bishop's tools is to have you come to him. Make him come to you when you are available - your house, your time. And don't wear a suit. These are all signals that are important and disarming.
Hey again, quark.
The LDST post got me thinking of another option you may have.
When they ask you for your address, give them mine.
I will say that I am quark, have the meeting for you, and that should be last you hear of it. :)
Buffalo wrote:It's the case 100 percent of the time in the scenario being discussed here.
And there's the problem--somehow Mormons are all just people who don't really want to be friends with others, but try to do so in hopes to manipulate these others to do things the others don't want to do.
It's just the way it is. It's like when there's a family in the neighborhood that you've known forever, but never really been close friends with, just friendly neighbors. Then, out of the blue, they call you up and want to start hanging out. They invite you over for dinner, and to the movies. Then, after about the third "date" they call you because they have something really important to talk to you about. So you invite them over and they give you the Amway pitch. After you say No, they never speak to you again. Whether you like it or not, that's how Mormons are with non-members and inactives. When the bishop visits you because you are inactive, and then out of the blue a family wants to be BFFs with you, the "amway" alarm starts to go off. The sad thing is, it's not just an impression, but it is the truth. My wife and I were asked to be friends with an inactive couple back in the 90s. They knew what we were doing, and it was sorta awkward.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Buffalo wrote:No one's saying that. Try to pay closer attention to the topic being discussed.
I did. You said 100% of the time, which would suggest every single Mormon would be making friends just to manipulate them. Ah well...I guess 100% means somethign else to you(;
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:No one's saying that. Try to pay closer attention to the topic being discussed.
I did. You said 100% of the time, which would suggest every single Mormon would be making friends just to manipulate them. Ah well...I guess 100% means somethign else to you(;
Stemelbow, we all remember when you used the word 'many' and under cross examination it came out that you really meant 'very few'. Ah well.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Buffalo wrote:No one's saying that. Try to pay closer attention to the topic being discussed.
I did. You said 100% of the time, which would suggest every single Mormon would be making friends just to manipulate them. Ah well...I guess 100% means somethign else to you(;
He said 100% of the time in this scenario. The scenario being bishop visits you because you are inactive followed shortly by a family in the ward suddenly wanting to be BFFs with your family. I suppose the timing could just be a coincidence, but I agree with Buffalo that the most likely situation is it's a set up.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
DarkHelmet wrote:He said 100% of the time in this scenario. The scenario being bishop visits you because you are inactive followed shortly by a family in the ward suddenly wanting to be BFFs with your family. I suppose the timing could just be a coincidence, but I agree with Buffalo that the most likely situation is it's a set up.
Most likely? No buff said 100% of the time. And I get the scenario. I'm just saying the motivation of the people is in question. And according to buffalo 100% of the time the motivation is ulterior motive. Perhaps some of these Mormons really do want to be friends?
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Drifting wrote:Stemelbow, we all remember when you used the word 'many' and under cross examination it came out that you really meant 'very few'. Ah well.
Man, some of you guys can't drop a thing. 10s of the thousands of people isn't a very few in my book.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
DarkHelmet wrote:He said 100% of the time in this scenario. The scenario being bishop visits you because you are inactive followed shortly by a family in the ward suddenly wanting to be BFFs with your family. I suppose the timing could just be a coincidence, but I agree with Buffalo that the most likely situation is it's a set up.
Most likely? No buff said 100% of the time. And I get the scenario. I'm just saying the motivation of the people is in question. And according to buffalo 100% of the time the motivation is ulterior motive. Perhaps some of these Mormons really do want to be friends?
Nope. 100% of the time they have been instructed/assigned to make friends.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
DarkHelmet wrote:He said 100% of the time in this scenario. The scenario being bishop visits you because you are inactive followed shortly by a family in the ward suddenly wanting to be BFFs with your family. I suppose the timing could just be a coincidence, but I agree with Buffalo that the most likely situation is it's a set up.
Most likely? No buff said 100% of the time. And I get the scenario. I'm just saying the motivation of the people is in question. And according to buffalo 100% of the time the motivation is ulterior motive. Perhaps some of these Mormons really do want to be friends?
Maybe sometimes cops pull you over just because they're lonely and want to chat. It could happen!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
LDSToronto wrote:Crying is a rhetorical device; tears are rarely sincere. Like the pregnant pause, crying is used to invoke an emotional response in the listener. The response could be sorrow; you feel sorrowful because the person is crying for you and your misgivings. The response could be spiritual; you think that you feel a communal spirit that has filled up the person who is crying. The response could even be tears on your part. No matter - the intent is to capitalize on the emotional vulnerability of the listener to drive home a particular message.
I will freely, and with some shame and embarrassment, admit to using these techniques when I have taught lessons or spoken to congregations or individuals. I was never a blubberer; more so, I used the following patterns: 1. 'cracked voice' 2. 'obvious-pause-to-compose-myself-and-prevent-myself-from-crying' 3. 'say-five-words-then-pause' 4. 'make-voice-lower-and-raspy'
These patterns always, and I mean *always* elicited responses of "Brother LDST, when you said <insert banal wisdom here> the spirit was just so strong". Well, of course the "spirit" was strong, I completely manipulated your emotions! The same happened when I extended callings, when I made assignments, or even when I was just speaking one-on-one with members - employing these patterns, purposefully, I could guarantee the response I was looking for.
The best way to combat this is to ignore any sympathetic emotions that well up and address your concerns head on, like this:
"Bishop, your emotional response to my story is appreciated, but I have the benefit of the facts on my side - I know what is best for me and my family, and we are happy, despite your sorrow."
Fight emotion with the opposite emotion. Do not show that you are influenced by your natural sympathetic inclinations. Take a deep breath and tell the bishop why his emotions are not a valid response to your situation.
Anyway, I hope all goes well in your interview. Do not commit to anything that you do not wish to commit to.
I wish you and your family well, H.
Man, you get this crap every General Conference.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.